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  •  If your experience were the universal (2+ / 0-)
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    rule, Walmart would not be as successful as it is. More Americans (esp. poor Americans) shop there than at any other store. And more Americans work at Walmart than at any other private employer. They are the employer of last resort; if no one else will hire you, Walmart will. And Walmart employees who do a good job can leave for greener pastures or receive promotions. The poor benefit from the focus on lower prices that Walmart introduces into a community's retail sector. It's not all bad. It (like most things) is complicated.

    •  Good lord. I don't even know what to say (29+ / 0-)

      to this Randian, brutal dog-eat-dog outlook on life. Yes, let's keep crushing the poor until we are ALL poor because a handful of people have all the money and there's no one to pay us. Then everyone from doctors down to teachers down to janitors will be poor for real.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 04:00:46 PM PDT

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      •  We all want America to be less poor. (2+ / 0-)
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        I happen to think (along with many other people) that Walmart is a step in that direction. We disagree on tactics, not goals. Don't be so arrogant as to think that your way is the only way. This is a complex situation.

        •  I suggest you try Costco (9+ / 0-)

          As the emulative model.

          May the Conservative Supremes share Paula Deen's heart-stopping culinary tastes as much as they share her cultural ones.

          by pajoly on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:33:15 PM PDT

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          •  There is one problem with Costco as a model. (1+ / 0-)
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            Costco makes a very substantial portion of its money from membership fees. Most retail stores can't or don't charge fees.

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            by dinotrac on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:43:21 PM PDT

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            •  But what then is the problem? (0+ / 0-)

              I agree that "most" cannot, to the extent that they service the customer in a single area of his/her lives (e.g. apparel, appliances). But, that's not true for Wal-Mart, it services its customers needs for most of their needs, from banking to eye care to food to consumables to goods. There is no reason they could not have such a model. In fact they do, it's called Sam's Club.

              May the Conservative Supremes share Paula Deen's heart-stopping culinary tastes as much as they share her cultural ones.

              by pajoly on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 04:02:29 AM PDT

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              •  Most Wal-Mart stores are not Sam's Clubs. (1+ / 0-)
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                They need a higher markup than a Costco, which can generate money from membership fees and cut handling costs by selling in bulk.

                The closer model I can see is Aldi stores, but those are single purpose, do not keep a lot of stock that is not in the aisle, and use very few employees.

                One thing, though --

                Today's Wal-Mart stores do not seem very much like the Wal-Marts of years ago, when Sam Walton was still around. Prices are low, but service is lower.  I remember a time when new registers would be opened if lines started to lengthen, and goods stayed in stock.  I seem to remember they also used to do a lot of promotion from within. Don't know if that's still true.  The kid's just don't seem to have the old man's approach.  Probably letting MBAs drive the bus now.  Surest ticket to death for any major corporation.

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                by dinotrac on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:40:11 AM PDT

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                •  Home Depot did the same (1+ / 0-)
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                  One or two registers would be open with 10 people stacked in line. No one in the aisle's to ask for help either. I switched to Lowe's a few years back, or my local store for really common items I know they carry.

                  May the Conservative Supremes share Paula Deen's heart-stopping culinary tastes as much as they share her cultural ones.

                  by pajoly on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 09:27:01 PM PDT

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        •  Your claim with respect to you and your (4+ / 0-)
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          values is patently bullshit.

          You do not want America to be "less poor".

          You want America to be more dependent and beholden to a corporate entity that doesn't even provide a decent service or good products.

          This discussion is not about tactics or goals.  

          This discussion is about quality -- quality of pay -- quality of products that people are able to pay for -- and most of all quality of life ------ which is evidently not even remotely a priority for you.

          Where are you from?  Why don't you spend your time enacting your grand vision in your town or city with WalMart and leave the rest of us alone while you create your "perfect" society?

          •  Hey bud. (1+ / 0-)
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            If you don't want to hear what I have to say just skip my comments. Your tyrannical approach here (in the name of liberalism, no less) is amusing, but it can get old quickly. If you won't ignore my comments, I'll tell you what - I'll ignore yours telling me to shut up. Later...

        •  how? (5+ / 0-)

          by driving wages down?  by encouraging consumption of cheap disposable goods?  by encouraging automobile dependent communities?  by creating a business model dependent on desperate poverty - because without it no one would work there or make the crap that Wal-Mart sells.

    •  Wal-Mart has been losing ground lately. (1+ / 0-)
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      Failure to have shelves stocked is one reason.  I know that I stopped going to one local Wal-Mart because the bathroom was consistently filthy.

      And -- you know what?

      It ain't Sam Walton's Wal-Mart any more.

      We have a regional chain store nearby (Meijer) that is far more pleasant and a much better place to buy groceries. We go there, we go to Aldi, we go to Trader Joe's, we go to Costco, we go to Target, we got to a couple of local stores (not so cheap, I'm afraid). We go to Wal-Mart when we need something and we are by the Wal-Mart. Not so often these days.

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      by dinotrac on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:40:08 PM PDT

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    •  It's NOT cheaper (1+ / 0-)
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      Time after time, price comparisons show that Walmart is NOT the cheapest price on products. (When you can even find some things on the shelves.)  Hell, as many stores as I go in, I generally know who's going to have a better price on all sorts of products, and 99% of the time it's NOT Walmart.

      Terrible product quality, outdated food products, and higher prices? Who needs 'em? (And as someone mentioned, the bathrooms are horrible. Worst of any chain I'm in by a long shot. And as a woman who's 8 months pregnant, I've gotten a lot more familiar with store restrooms in the past few months...)

      One of the reasons a lot of poor people shop there is that Walmart has started sponsoring free "shuttles" from low income housing areas to their stores. You see them picking up at lower-priced apartment complexes, senior high-rises, and other places where people are less likely to have vehicles that would allow them the freedom to shop where they prefer. Captive audience.

      On the whole, I prefer not to be lectured on patriotism by those who keep offshore maildrops in order to avoid paying their taxes. - Molly Ivins

      by Lashe on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:59:55 PM PDT

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      •  That shuttle idea (0+ / 0-)

        Is actually genius... I just wish it was emulated with a more reputable business than Wal*Mart.

        And I love the troll on here who is trying to call Wal*Mart a "job creator." Yeah, we have some more $8/hr jobs, but we lost how many hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs so that Wal*Mart could sell us cheap Chinese crap?

        Yeah, Wal*Mart is a job creator.... for China.

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