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  •  oh, btw, I really think that Cheney (& Addington) (1+ / 0-)
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    need huge exposure on their role here.

    I mean HUGE.  The world needs to know what they have done.

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    by SeaTurtle on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 07:09:37 AM PDT

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    •  I agree entirely, both genealogy & players (1+ / 0-)
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      Marcy Wheeler is not just the Queen, the is the EMPRESS of this kind of detail.  emptywheel.net

      Plus searching the various 'eras' in which lots of reporting was going on about development of current NSA programs -- 2001 (Poindexter's TIA), 2004-2006 (Bush's 'warrentless wiretapping), 2008-ish (the 'fix the laws' time which (it now appears) gave the semblance of 'fixing' (repairing) when they really were 'fixing' (in secret cement) the current FISA laws, etc, 'adding oversight').  Should be a wealth of info just on this site, as people wrote diaries (with links) about 'news of the day'.

      •  excellent outline of action (1+ / 0-)
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        do you have the time to do this?  sounds like you have a very workable plan.

        Or a group could be formed: "NSA HISTORY" and all of us could contribute articles, links, etc. so that a clearing house for information could be formed.  

        Once again, I cannot take leadership, but would be willing to chip in every now and then with what I found out.

        I have been mulling over what I found yesterday and there are some interesting tangents I would like to follow.  But believe me when I tell you "I got not time."  Sorry to sound so boring, but that is reality.

        Thanks for Marcy Wheeler links.  See that is the kind of thing that could be posted in this clearing house.  

        We Must DISARM THE NRA The next life you save may be ONE OF YOUR OWN!

        by SeaTurtle on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 08:37:56 AM PDT

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        •  'Clearing house' for NSA History (1+ / 0-)
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          is a GREAT idea, and I would willingly participate.  But like you, I can't reliably commit to leadership/management thereof, and I don't think I have the technical chops.

          And I'm not really sure how 'Groups' function works here; I mean I don't  know if it would work well for collecting history.  (Maybe it would, but it would take someone other than myself to manage that.)

          The NSA discussion has so many specialized disciplines involved, each of which (imo) needs to be explained/collected for us to develop a full understanding of this mess.  Disciplines involved (as I see it) are Technology (hardware & software development, as well as tech corps/industry involvement); Legal Issues (First & Fourth Amendment before vs after '9/11 changed everything'; as well as developments (like FISA court breakthroughs) since NSA Disclosures began; and others I know I've thought about but can't bring to mind right now).

          There are Kossites who have expertise in each of the disciplines involved, and a number of them have written excellent diaries that both provide links for further reading and give us the benefit of their expertise.  Others run across articles that they feel add an important dimension and post good information that help develop the discussion (Examples are:

          this recent (and under-read) diary

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          So, in general -- I think a group-sourced (what word to use?) compendium of NSA-ralted material would be a great goal, I would be glad to work on it as I can.

          But the NSA History would be a great idea, and perhaps a great starting point for a multi-subject 'compendium'.  A NSA History would provide a timeline (very important) and also the players involved over the three decades or so that the current NSA programs have been in development.

          I'm tossing every thing I read into the equivalent of a shoebox for later reference and (one hopes!) organization.

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