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  •  Actually, you're kind of wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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    ccyd

    See, e.g., DKT MEMORIAL FUND LTD., et al., Appellees, v. AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, et al., Appellants. (upholding lower court's conclusion that "interests in free speech and freedom of association of foreign nationals acting outside the borders, jurisdiction, and control of the United States do not fall within the interests protected by the First Amendment.")

    Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

    by mikidee on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 10:34:39 AM PDT

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    •  I hate legal diaries (1+ / 0-)
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      written by non-lawyers.

      I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

      by ccyd on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 11:36:17 AM PDT

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    •  Actually you kind of proved my point... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....considering that we signed on to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 (clearing up the question of who "the people" are , and the case you cite is from the 80s, so quaint it is. The United States is therefore on record as respecting rights everywhere, whether citizen or non-citizen. By U.N. decree.

      The GOP jobs plan is to manufacture outrage.

      by Doug in SF on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 01:06:06 PM PDT

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      •  Um, no. (1+ / 0-)
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        The U.N. "decree" does not dictate 1st Amendment jurisprudence.

        Yikes.

        Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

        by mikidee on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 01:30:51 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't say that it does.... (0+ / 0-)

          step 1) not defined well in the Constitution

          step 2) we sign a U.N. document. It includes the assertion that non-citizens in other countries have de facto first amendment rights.

          step 3) the case you cite damns that idea to hell.

          I never said it didn't prevail. So yikes yourself.

          The GOP jobs plan is to manufacture outrage.

          by Doug in SF on Fri Jul 12, 2013 at 10:51:51 AM PDT

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    •  'of association of foreign nationals ' (0+ / 0-)

      here the definition of foreign as different than the us has been parsed by the recent FISA rulings to the '51%  maybe' definition....some specious bullshit that is.

      So the access is granted without knowing in the biblical sense, I mean in any definite way these were or were not us citizens. And neither does the court seem to know or care they are definitely not, and no instructions to ascertain if so or not...that I saw...it sounded like the judge made his ruling centered around dismissing that 'problem'..and maybe that's why he stalled on making it until somebody whispered sweet nothings in his ear.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 07:33:51 PM PDT

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