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  •  Windows 8, XBONE, and now this. Heckuva job (20+ / 0-)


    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 12:03:39 PM PDT

    •  thing is, MSFT prob hates doing this (2+ / 0-)
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      One of the side stories in all of this is that virtually all of the US software/internet corps have been trying to get the message out that they have been legally compelled to share their data and give access to the NSA, against their wills.

      Most of them are probably even telling the truth because they all know just how damaging it would be to their bottom line if this were to be revealed, as it has now.

      So once again it come back to the actions of our very own government - all branches, and both parties.

      History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

      by quill on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 01:07:04 PM PDT

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      •  IPs being forced to share certain access (10+ / 0-)

        is one thing (not a good thing), but to my eye, this Guardian article seems to show a great deal of proactive cooperation -- allowing intelligence entities to affect system design before it's released to users  (who aren't informed).  And in the quote from MS' Legal, there's that tricky phrase about being in compliance with existing and future laws -- how can they be in compliance with future laws  unless the people who are shaping 'future laws' (through the FISA Court's development of secret common law?) are involved in the design phase?

        All the IP's appear to have been coerced to provide access to records; Microsoft's actions look like something more than that to me.

      •  We will see (Attorney /Client Privilege?) (11+ / 0-)

        I don't think anyone has quite gotten the full gist of today's revelations. Think of any popular O/S, Mobile or Desktop to Server and the companies that engineer them. This tells me they have expanded to everyone.

        If one is in IT , they can easily see how many holes there are in Microsoft's "only 31,000 accounts defense".  Notice how they use "accounts" but don't talk about products like their OS that has a Keylogger in it as was revealed today. There are virus companies that are supposed to detect Keyloggers. Now we know it's built into MSFT's O/S . The Server O/Ss are probably a veritable treasure trove to the NSA.

        Having holes in the O/S and in Key Programs like Outlook and probably Exchange means they are not talking about the 100s of millions who don't have accounts at Microsoft but are using their products with email servers and email clients along with Skype. Now with Office 2013, Microsoft wants everyone in the cloud. Same with Adobe. They want all content creators in the Cloud. I doubt their main customers requested this unless the NSA has become the biggest customer of all.  

         Now the "advantages of the Cloud services" that both Microsoft and Adobe have been promoting will fall under serious customer scrutiny.

        For one: Image all the Law Offices that Use Microsoft Office along with Adobe Acrobat who are supposedly protected by attorney client privileges. Not any more.

         They also have an electronic filing systems for both the Federal courts and the  state courts that has to be compromised so they can compare filings with private conversations.

        If you're an attorney, I would be real careful and maybe take a look at your disclaimers about Attorney Client privilege so you don't get nailed with a Malpractice suit.

        Attorneys and Doctors who use these products and services should be outraged enough to start filing suits against the govt at the very least as a prophylactic measure to avoid Malpractice suits.

        Now the govt can track you and your clients whereabouts, what you have said and even get your notes if you use the computer to record them. You will never know until an axe falls. It won't take long before a federal prosecutor slips up or maybe they already have and people are scratching their heads wondering how they got that information.

        “ Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men. ” — Demosthenes

        by Dburn on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 02:15:12 PM PDT

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