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  •  No offence, but I call it RomneyCare. (16+ / 0-)

    I'm from Massachusetts (though I don't live there any more). But I call it that to call attention to the fact that it is essentially a Republican bill that now all of a sudden, people hate. I think they don't know enough about it. If they did, they'd all be screaming to extend Medicare to everyone. Unless they are an insurance agent.

    I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

    by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 12:59:05 PM PDT

    •  I'm not from Mass (4+ / 0-)

      But I call it that too. People need to remember this is a conservative bill.

      “The Republicans believe in the minimum wage — the more the minimum, the better.”-Harry S Truman

      by Generic Democrat on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 02:42:34 PM PDT

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      •  This same ol' "It's a Republican Bill" nonsense to (1+ / 0-)
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        belittle a healthcare bill which so far as helped millions of people to gain access to healthcare is so ridiculous, especially just by the fact that the healthcare bill forces insurance companies to allow individuals healthcare even with a preexisting conditions, as well as force insurance companies to spend 80% of their premium on healthcare, is not exactly the kind of policy most Republicans would sign.

        In fact, the Romney bill was passed due to the efforts of a mostly Democratic legislature. It wasn't Romney and a bunch of Republicans who signed it, it was Romney and a bunch of Democrats.

        The Right calls it Obamacare to diminish the bill, and the Left calls it a Republican bill to minimize the bill.

        •  It is a bill that glorifies the insurance business (2+ / 0-)
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          which my family has been in for decades, and I can tell you, they LOVE it.

          It is a bill that requires people to purchase private services. Only THEN does it cover them.

          Read up on your progressiveness.

          I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

          by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 03:30:16 PM PDT

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          •  It's a bill that glorifies the insurance business? (0+ / 0-)

            How does the bill glorify the insurance business?

            The only benefit to the insurance companies and this will be done through many exchanges that will bargain the cost of insurance down is the benefit of having customers. Incidentally, bargaining down the cost of insurance is a good thing.

            But the insurance industry does not dictate how the ACA is constructed they negotiated for their interest and the President for everyday people. We received important concessions from the insurance industry, and forced them to accept things they had never accepted before. Like what?  

            Here are the important concessions we received from the insurance industry, which I've posted here before.

            What did we get? Here are just a few things:

            The ACA eliminated preexisting condition exclusions for all health insurance policies (a very big deal)

            Also banned lifetime and annual benefit caps (another big deal)

            The ACA requires private insurance companies to cover a wide range of preventive services, including well-woman visits (Pap tests, cancer screenings, etc), diabetes screening, and prenatal care without co-pays. (another big deal)

            Requires health insurance companies to spend at least 80-85 cents of every premium dollar on medical costs as opposed to profits, marketing and overhead, as mentioned before (Yup, nice)

            Requiring an insurance company to justify a rate increase before it shows up on your bill (Yup, I like this)

            And established major new provisions to combat health care fraud and abuse in Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance (lovely)

            Again, the insurance companies would not have independently offered these provisions…They got customers, we got concessions.

            And in case anyone might consider these concessions to being small, the issue of preexisting conditions alone is

            HUGE:

            According to a new analysis by the Department of Health and Human Services, 50 to 129 million (19 to 50 percent of) non-elderly Americans have some type of pre-existing health condition.  Up to one in five non-elderly Americans with a pre-existing condition — 25 million individuals — is uninsured.  Under the Affordable Care Act, starting in 2014, these Americans cannot be denied coverage, be charged significantly higher premiums, be subjected to an extended waiting period, or have their benefits curtailed by insurance companies.

            http://aspe.hhs.gov/....

            So, how does this so called "Republican Bill" glorify the insurance industry again?
            •  I'm not interested in "important concessions" (1+ / 0-)
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              from Insurance. You know what I'm interested in? Putting the Insurance business and the banks back where they belong. Which is NOT on our back.

              I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

              by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 04:24:55 PM PDT

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              •  And how are you going to do this? Of course you're (1+ / 0-)
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                not interested in important concessions because it damages the argument that the bill "Glorifies the Insurance Business". It's illogical to think that the bill glorifies them, yet they had to give up concessions they had always refused giving up.

                We have existed for almost a hundred years as a nation before this bill was passed, and, in all this time, no one has been able to pass the so called "progressive" bill... I am wondering just what are these "progressives" waiting for....

                •  I'm waiting for the United States to actually (0+ / 0-)

                  like the United States. So far, we've done a pretty bad job of that. Now, if you want to argue about that, well, good luck. You won't have many supporters. Though I'm sure Obama, a former Kossack, would we happy to help except he's otherwise occupied making sure every phone call you make is recorded.

                  I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

                  by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 04:56:55 PM PDT

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                  •  Ok, we've gone from healthcare to Obama recording (0+ / 0-)

                    our phone calls. Obama destroying real "progressive" healthcare to Obama invading our privacy....

                    Obama, Obama, Obama, just as on the Right, Obama and all the so called bad things he is doing. This becomes so boring after a while. Did you noticed the President enjoys high approval rating with most Democrats and Progressives, as opposed to the "real"progressives? Don't worry, in about three plus years Obama will no longer be in office, then all your political wish lists will magically appear.

                    Obama all the time.... The source of all our ills.

                    •  I think, Ned, we should be more careful (0+ / 0-)

                      about whom we elect.

                      I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

                      by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 05:21:49 PM PDT

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                      •  I and many many Democrats were very careful and (1+ / 0-)
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                        that is why Barack Obama is in office today. See, if it were up to you and your fellow "Obama is the source of all our ills" folk  Mitt Romney would be in office today....

                        •  Nope. I voted for him. His sorry ass. (0+ / 0-)

                          He reminds me of Clinton. Every day he does.

                          I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

                          by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 05:44:30 PM PDT

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                          •  You know, I could never vote for someone whom I (0+ / 0-)

                            referred to as a "sorry ass." Could it be that the Obama supporters are more serious about their politics and their votes than the Obama haters?

                            Most of us voted for the President because he passed a healthcare bill that will give tens of millions of people access to health care, we voted for him because he increased fuel efficiency standards in automobiles, we voted for him because he extended Pell Grant for millions of students and gave them an opportunity to attend college, we voted for him because he made it possible for women to receive contraceptive care, we voted for him because he passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, we voted for him because he helped to end DADT, we voted for him because he has spent more than any president in decades on issues that will improve the environment, we voted for him because he helped to stop the disparity in prison sentencing, which affected African Americans and Hispanics, we voted for him because he saved the automobile industry, and prevented the economy from falling into a a second Great Depression, we voted for him because he has spent more on programs for the poor than any President in decades, we voted for him because he placed two women on the Supreme Court....

                            You voted for him because he is a "sorry ass". That actually says a lot about you and many of your fellow Obama haters.

                        •  go vote for a man that sounds likeWagner. (0+ / 0-)

                          I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

                          by commonmass on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 06:01:24 PM PDT

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                          •  I don't vote for names that sound like. It don't (0+ / 0-)

                            matter if it rhymes. I vote for people who will make a positive difference in the lives of individuals, like passing a healthcare bill that is already helping MILLIONS! I vote for Barack Obama.

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