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  •  Under 50%, over three years from the election (2+ / 0-)
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    fauxrs, stevenaxelrod

    Polls this far out are beyond meaningless.

    After all, we don't know which Republicans are going to have a scandal between now and then that will make them unelectable.  BOB MCDONNELL 2016!!!

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Jul 12, 2013 at 12:55:39 PM PDT

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    •  Precisely (1+ / 0-)
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      TDDVandy

      A poll indicating the difference between two people we dont even know will be running. There is a lot of time between now and then so I cant be in the least bit impressed with a poll at this time

      Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.

      by fauxrs on Fri Jul 12, 2013 at 01:18:17 PM PDT

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    •  Um sorry, nope. She is a recent Secretary of State (1+ / 0-)
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      majcmb1

      Her name recognition is as high as it is going to get. That isn't going to change in three years no matter who the Republicans nominate.

      That said, you are correct about the unelectable part. Their primaries will force the nominee to the right again garnering him around the same 45-48%-ish range.

      Given that their nominee can still count on that amount of support, we cannot assume a win. Our nominee has to be able to hold the Obama map if not expand it. One of my biggest fears with Hillary is that we are back to having to win Ohio and/or Florida to keep the White House.

      I think those in the party who just assume the Obama coalition will just naturally follow whoever it is told to follow  should just stop right now. Obama earned that coalition and worked hard to maintain it. There will be no parachuting in by those who seem to believe they can force a nomination all on their own.

      It didn't work in 2008 band it is even less likely to work in 2012.

      The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

      by sebastianguy99 on Fri Jul 12, 2013 at 02:00:08 PM PDT

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      •  Odds Are FL Won't Be A Problem For Anybody (1+ / 0-)
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        except crazed GOTP'ers beating the Everglades for "missing white voters."

        http://www.newrepublic.com/...

        That raises the possibility that Republicans are close to maximizing their share of the white vote in Florida. Certainly, they’re closer to maximizing it in Florida than they are in other states, like Colorado or Wisconsin, where Obama seemed to have appeal and where Republicans have done better in recent memory. It seems quite possible that the Democrats could nominate a candidate who stems the bleeding, or even does better among Florida’s whites. It’s worth noting that Bill Nelson and Alex Sink both did much better among white voters than Obama did last November. Early polls show Hillary Clinton crushing in Florida by a double-digit margin because she’s doing far, better among whites than Obama—about as well as Gore, or Sink, or Nelson. Those tallies would have been a deadheat a decade ago, but now result in a comfortable Democratic win.

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