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  •  It looks like the question is approval of the (6+ / 0-)

    federal government in these areas, not approval of Obama, per se. That would include the President, Congress, the Courts, and the Bureaucracy. So even in areas I approve of what the President is trying to do, I would disapprove of the results of what the federal government as a whole is doing. Granted, the President is a factor and in many respondents mind may be THE factor. But if I were asked the question regarding the federal government vs a question on the President, I would answer differently in a number of areas.

    You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

    by sewaneepat on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 05:31:03 AM PDT

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    •  I understood that. (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not trying to dis the President at all.  Though I fall among the critics, I appreciate nuanced analysis and am looking at this in such a vein.

      I'm noting what perceptions are out there, and for better or worse the populace and historians will regard this as the Obama years, not the Boehner years.  How many presidents with a historically significant reputation in our history would have had these numbers come out from voters in his own party during his administration?  And what does that tell us?

      •  I agree. (2+ / 0-)
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        Just thought it was worth pointing out that the question is about the government, not the President because presidential approval is what we are usually looking at and so that was my expectation of what the poll was about before I noticed the question.

        It would be interesting to see if they asked the same question about Obama, Boehner, Reid, and the Congress and what those results were.

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 05:54:11 AM PDT

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    •  I should clarify. (1+ / 0-)
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      I really am interested in what people will think of this administration only insofar as it affects the prospects for future ones.  Obama is not going to be in that future, most likely.  At this point we are looking past everyone now in office.  What current officeholders do will affect the future, but their reputations are pretty much immaterial otherwise, just barroom bets and term papers.  What comes after this crew, and what do the numbers now presage for that outcome?  This poll is a window on the system at least as much as it is on any individual.

      •  that it is, but without looking at what other (6+ / 0-)

        presidents were at, you can't make too much of the historical part, hence the harwood article.

        If you want to just look at Dems, then compare Dems 2005 to Dems 2013. Education: +11 Poverty +10 (both need work).  Military/defense +39 responding to natural disasters +74 etc.

        Or indies. But indies aren't neutral, they are disaffected Rs.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 06:04:17 AM PDT

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        •  Indies are disaffected R's (0+ / 0-)

          I think that's right. Wish I'd seen this before posting above about wanting to see the differences.

          Are there any stats as to the race of Independents? I'm guessing largely white and older.

          I'd say that Dems are much kinder to GWB that R's are for Obama. No surprise there.

          But Responding to Natural Disaster?! This was 2005 and the year of Katrina. I'm stunned unless this poll was taken before Katrina. But no, it's Sept. 2005 which is a month AFTER Katrina! That's amazing! 63% of Republicans were satisfied with the Fed's response to Katrina, which had to have been in Republicans' minds.

          Complete denial of reality.  Or cognitive dissonance as in "I voted for Bush twice so he must be doing a good job".

          What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

          by TerryDarc on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:09:46 AM PDT

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