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    •  I accuse others of computer literacy. (2+ / 0-)
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      Sad to see it wasn't a justified accusation in some cases.

      Sign the petition to demand a law-abiding Supreme Court.

      by Troubadour on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:30:07 AM PDT

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      •  I've worked in the field, have you? (8+ / 0-)

        I know how routers work, I've actually designed and written network code to disassemble and reassemble packets and a built a basic network for a networking class during a master's degree.

        Yes, 'packets go where they're told'.  And no half dozen countries get to tell those packets where to go at any given router hop.  Unless you want to assume the US, who controls most of the routers that matter on the internet is deliberately routing packets through vacuuming sites (which is fine, I'll grant that), the only other thing coming into play are algorithms to balance loads and deliver those packets in the fewest hops to their destination.  

        Your codswallop about dozens of countries having the capabilities to do the same is utter nonsense for the vast majority of internet traffic.  You need to be computer literate before you start trying to talk down to people who've spent far more time working in the sector than you likely have.

        •  I'm perfectly willing to defer to your (6+ / 0-)

          judgment, if you can explain a few things.  Like, which part of this internet map represents the United States, since it seems rather, I don't know, distributed:

          Internet_map_1024_-_transparent

          Second, I've seen far higher networking authorities than you talk about what China and Russia routinely do to the global internet, so are they all crazy, or is this really the multipolar world we've been hearing so much about over the past few years?

          And I never said "dozens of countries" - I specifically said six, based on news reports about the countries that have been implicated as engaging in the same kind of activities as the NSA.  But feel free to come up with some other number as long as it's not 1, which is totally non-credible.  

          Sign the petition to demand a law-abiding Supreme Court.

          by Troubadour on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:43:40 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry, was in and out, missed noticing the reply. (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, dozens of countries was a mistype on my part, I should have stuck to the half dozen in the first part of my comment.

            As I noted, other countries are indeed monitoring the net - and hacking parts that they can, to gain access to things they shouldn't.  My point was not that 'other countries don't do this', but that their access to data is far less encompassing than ours - not because all the data flows through America, but because US multinationals control a lot of hardware in a lot of countries.  And if other countries can hack individual parts of that hardware, then yes, they too can spy on more sections of that giant web in the picture above.

            The extent to which spying can occur is all about access, and the US simply has (and will continue to have for some time) more ability to access the hardware on which much of the world's data flows.  We have that 'competitive advantage' in spying, but now that we've pissed off other countries because their citizens know the extent to which we can spy on them, that could go away, especially if they do build their own parallel internet structure that doesn't run on US owned lines or run through US built or owned hardware.

            We'd still be able to try and hack into that, but we wouldn't have the advantages that make it essentially a given that we can.

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