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  •  I'm okay with Obama listening in on my (1+ / 0-)
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    sexual intercourse.

    But seriously, I think you're onto something here.

    Initially, I thought it was implausible that phone metadata could be used to listen in on people's sexual intercourse. But then, I thought to myself, that the last time I had sex and my phone was in my back pocket, I butt dialed like three or four friends of mine. I was mortified. But what's even scarier is that the NSA's machine learning algorithms are so sophisticated that they could likely infer that I was riding the hobby horse.

    Chilling.

    •  You do know that it ain't Obama (4+ / 0-)
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      but a large number of unknown people with unknown motives who tune in to you, right? He just okayed it and encouraged it.

      You did catch the reference to the former Stasi officials who can't believe we've gone this far. Or was that part confusing for you?

      You do know the government/business (and is there a difference these days?) can listen to you through your home devices, such as your computer, cellphone, and television, right?

      Are you unaware that the collection of data can be turned against dissidents and protestors at the whim of whoever runs, and many who work for, secret intelligence outfits? That intelligence outfits are typically helmed and staffed at the higher levels by serious rightwingers?

      abc news:

      Cell phone users, beware.  The FBI can listen to everything you say, even when the cell phone is turned off. A recent court ruling ...revealed that the FBI has the ability from a remote location to activate a cell phone and turn its microphone into a listening device that transmits to an FBI listening post, a method known as a "roving bug.""
      As to your computer camera and microphone:
      Reuters documented last year that the U.S. and Israeli governments can remotely turn on a computer’s microphone:
      Evidence suggests that the virus, dubbed Flame, may have been built on behalf of the same nation or nations that commissioned the Stuxnet worm that attacked Iran’s nuclear program in 2010 [i.e. the U.S. and Israel], according to Kaspersky Lab, the Russian cyber security software maker that took credit for discovering the infections....

      ...... that's your call.

      snopes, the famous rumor debunker (or confirmer):
      As we highlighted three years ago, private industry and eventually government is planning to use microphones in the computers of an estimated 150 million-plus Internet active Americans, as well as similar devices installed inside digital TV boxes, to spy on their life style choices and build psychological profiles which will be used for surveillance and minority report style invasive advertising and data mining.
      If you want to paint yourself as if you were a clownish drunkard (I looked up "fou") around the mechanisms of tyranny; you want to pretend that political and social activists have not been targeted, nor that they now can be more thoroughly than anyone ever imagined, well...

      If you're cool with living on your knees, and having your intimacies be entertainment for strangers... that's your call.


      Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

      by Jim P on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:35:00 AM PDT

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      •  Um the snopes link debunks you (1+ / 0-)
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        The part you copied is the sample of the hoax that they then go on to say is false.

        •  Good point. However the reality is (1+ / 0-)
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          as stated. Why else, just 3 weeks ago do we have this:

          Mass. Democratic Rep.  Michael Capuano has introduced a bill, the We Are Watching You Act, to prohibit the technology on boxes and collection of information absent consumer permission. The bill would also require companies that do use the data to show “we are watching you” messages on the screen and to explain just what kinds of information is being captured and for what reasons, AdWeek reported.
          Samsun held demos at trade shows in full view of the public and press where they premiered devices which
          the devices themselves, more similar than ever to a personal computer, may allow hackers or even Samsung to see and hear you and your family, and collect extremely personal data.

          While Web cameras and Internet connectivity are not new to HDTVs, their complete integration is, and it's the always connected camera and microphones, combined with the option of third-party apps (not to mention Samsung's own software) gives us cause for concern regarding the privacy of TV buyers and their friends and families.

          ...Samsung has only stated that it "assumes no responsibility, and shall not be liable" in the event that a product or service is not "appropriate."

          Of course, we know that business and government have been working closely on monitoring now, and that's indisputable. Maybe Samsung, won't but the same product is being developed by Microsoft and Verizon

          I take it you grant that the cellphones, and computers are capable of monitoring us in our homes. Add the tv's and desktop boxes to the list, poorly vetted cite aside.


          Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

          by Jim P on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 01:14:11 PM PDT

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        •  Can you believe he actually offered a serious (0+ / 0-)

          response?!

          LOLOLOL!!

          With links and everything! "Informing" me!

          Oh my God!

          What do you bet that deep down, Jim P really thinks Obama listens to his spanky spanky? I bet he does.

          He said that it's not really Obama, but that it's lots of people "encouraged" by Obama. Please. Obama can ask those people for tapes at any time! And why wouldn't he? Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

      •  Surprised to see that one here (2+ / 0-)
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        The one that I usually get in the RW relatives' FW:FW:FW e-mails, that assure me "it's even on Snopes!".  Yes, it is on Snopes - as a debunked hoax. Is that the typical level of accuracy behind other facts you assert?

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 11:33:16 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, a poor cite. You grant the cellphone (1+ / 0-)
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          and computer capabilities, but see this comment for the better cites on the TV/cable box facts. http://www.dailykos.com/...


          Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

          by Jim P on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 01:16:13 PM PDT

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          •  Washington Times a bit iffy too (0+ / 0-)

            But they are sourcing back to an AdWeek piece.
            http://www.adweek.com/...
            And neither suggests this has anything to do with government surveillance. This is about

            analyze viewing behavior and serve up targeted ads.
            Quit worrying about the NSA and FBI, and start thinking about these guys:
            Their files record where you live and who else lives there, your phone numbers, often including cell, general financial situation and interests. Your file might include race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, education, political affiliation and occupation. They might list what credit cards you use, as well as some health topics of interest to you such as diabetes or arthritis.
            The company has information on nearly one billion online users and matches 90 percent of all U.S. social profiles, CEO Scott Howe told investors last month. “We have made significant progress establishing and collecting broader and deeper data sets than any company in the world,” he said.
            Acxiom works directly with 47 of the Fortune 100 companies and deals with a staggering amount of information, nearly 11 trillion record updates a year, according to company documents. Staving off regulation that could hurt its business is a key reason for embracing more openness.  Of recent, it has faced questions from Congressional committees, and in December the Federal Trade Commission asked Acxiom and other data brokers including Corelogic, Datalogix and Intelius to provide details on how they use and gather data.
            http://www.forbes.com/...

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:28:46 PM PDT

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      •  Here's the thing about all of this... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... the government couldn't do any of this without some form of agreement with the companies who make these devices and the operating systems that run on them.  So if the government can do it, so can Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, Cox Communications, Time-Warner Cable, or theoretically anyone with in depth knowledge of Windows, iOS, Android, or Linux.  

        What makes this argument even more amusing is that there are companies out there that KNOW MORE about you and CARE MORE about what you do than the government.  Why?  Because they want "what's left in your wallet".  These companies routinely buy and sell your information and amass a very complete profile of just about everything you do.  Personally, I find the corporate monitoring (and profiteering) of my personal life more intrusive than the government's collection of the same stuff.

        Why?  Because I don't do anything that the government would find "interesting".  However, I do know that companies are interested in how I spent my time and my money and it is in their best interests to figure out how to get me to give them more of both of those things.

        So what can you do?  

        First, if you don't want to get the Stuxnet or Flame viruses (or their variants), don't work at an Iranian nuclear facility.

        Second, if you are concerned that "people" are listening to you having sex - 1) don't bring your cell phone into the room your are going to be performing in, 2) take the battery out of your phone if it absolutely positively has to be in the same room as you and your lover(s), or 3) check to see if "there's an app for that" which monitors the state of your cell's microphone and check the app during foreplay.

        Third, the government requires that local TV stations broadcast their content over the air - so you could ditch that cable box and those perverts who monitor it today if you wanted to.  Seriously, do you need more than basic cable in the bedroom?

        Fourth, you can unplug all of your technology whenever you aren't actually using it.

        Fifth, don't by the new XBox - it's ALWAYS watching you (and trying to see if you're happy or sad)

        OR, you can understand that all of this stuff has been in development since the mid 1980's and that there isn't jack shit that you can do about it now. Just live your life (and try to be a good person).

        Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

        by Hey338Too on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 12:34:37 PM PDT

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        •  Good grief. (3+ / 0-)

          So your idea is that you'll just alter how you live in your own home so you can avoid being surveilled. And I should too.

          We'll all resign ourselves to being stay-at-home refugees.

          Shall we all wear kneepads as we move about our homes, so we can properly service the Stalkers?

          Yeah, it's here; yeah, it's being developed. And yes, it's a threat to freedom. The solution isn't to lick where and when you're told to lick, but to write the laws so this shit stops.


          Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

          by Jim P on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 01:20:16 PM PDT

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          •  You've missed the point... (0+ / 0-)

            ... I don't alter the way I live because none of this is a revelation to me - and it shouldn't be to anyone these days.  Once I learned how a cellular network worked it wasn't hard to figure out that carrying a cell phone meant the things I did with it were traceable, and the more I did the more "they" knew.  Once I learned how the internet worked it wasn't hard to figure out that using it meant that my actions are traceable, the more I do on it the more "they" know.  It's been that way for both of these technologies since their inception.  So I don't change my life one iota because of the technology I bring into my home, I understand the technology and live with it.

            As for passing laws, the genie is already out of that bottle.  There is NO WAY that you are going to tell a company what they can and cannot do on "their" networks without them screaming that innovation (profit, actually) is being stifled.    And when "they" do write laws governing things on the internet, look at the crap they write - crap that limits user's freedom but not that of corporations.  So good luck with that.

            Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

            by Hey338Too on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 03:46:31 PM PDT

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        •  And don't ever (1+ / 0-)
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          try and join with your fellow citizens to protest against a government policy because they're listening and will put a stop to that crap before it even gets started!

          Unreal.

          The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

          by TracieLynn on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 01:38:02 PM PDT

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        •  Pretty soon you'll get to see your file (1+ / 0-)
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          The commercial one, not the the FBI one. And I agree that's the one that has all the juicy stuff.

          For the first time ever, the big daddy of all data brokers is nearly ready to show consumers their intimate personal dossiers, a move aimed at staving off public fears of Big Brother and government regulation.
          http://www.forbes.com/...

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:16:39 PM PDT

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          •  Good info... thanks for the link... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... still, that's just the tip of the iceberg as it relates to the data being mined.

            Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

            by Hey338Too on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:47:42 PM PDT

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            •  But even that tip of the berg ... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...has more impact than what the NSA might care to know about me.

              “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

              by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 02:51:06 PM PDT

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      •  Really?! (1+ / 0-)
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        You do know that it ain't Obama (4+ / 0-)
        but a large number of unknown people with unknown motives who tune in to you, right? He just okayed it and encouraged it.
        All this time I thought it was Obama! Damn! I was getting so hot thinking it was actually him!

        Well, if it's not Obama, then why is everyone so mad?

    •  The NSA (2+ / 0-)
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      has been known to illegally listen in on phone sex.

      I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

      by happymisanthropy on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:48:54 AM PDT

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