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  •  which bit do you disagree with? eom (4+ / 0-)
    •  I disagree with attributing right-wing ideology (0+ / 0-)

      to the United States where most people don't share it.  

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      by Troubadour on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 09:59:01 AM PDT

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      •  Your left wing is further right than our rightwing (6+ / 0-)

        if you exclude the extremists.

        The German CDU ( right wing party) would never dream of dismantling the health care and education systems.

        Its about democracy, the crazy shit happening right now in the US, in Texas, Wisconsin etc is just unfuckingbelievable seen from here.

        If most people don't share it why the fuck do they let it happen?  Why do  you accept like lemmings the the security state, stop and frisk, abortion restrictions, militarised police. How can people like Bachmann, Gohmert, King or West even get on a ballot paper with their patently absurd ideas of evolution, anti sharia, anti abortion anti everything platforms.

        •  Yes, the German right became strangely reasonable (0+ / 0-)

          after a few of them were hanged.  Can't imagine why.

          If most people don't share it why the fuck do they let it happen?
          "Let it happen"?  Do you have any idea how big this country is?  The things you're talking about have no connection to the everyday experiences of most of the people here - they're anecdotes.  Nobody would ever be able to live their lives or sleep an hour if we obsessed on every podunk sheriff who racially profiles or every corrupt politician.

          We don't "let" it happen anymore than you do.  And if you're so much more powerful than we are, by all means rescue us, Superman.

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          by Troubadour on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 10:24:44 AM PDT

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          •  So now you want to go Godwin. (5+ / 0-)

            For the record, anybody old enough to lift a rifle in 1945 would be 78 years old now - so forget the guilt trip.

            You think I am an idiot? I know how big your country is - I have driven from one side to the other and visited over 25 States.

            Bachman, West, King, Gohmert are not anecdotes, they are(or were) elected representatives to your highest legislative body. Issa, Santorum, Perry, Scott, Walker to name but a few are also elected to high public office and are all batshit crazy.

            Sure there are a few doing their best to swim against the tide - Warren, Grayson, Franken and yes Obama, but the huge weight of ignorance and stupidity makes it a difficult journey.

            As they say "Wake up and smell the coffee", and this is what Democrats Ramscheid tries to do with his comparisons.

            •  Umm, Godwin doesn't apply to the real Nazis. (0+ / 0-)

              And it's not a guilt trip - it's a fact of how the present state of Germany came to be.  You don't get to feel proud that a country finally became reasonable after exhausting every possible alternative at massive cost to the entire world.  At least not while dissing another country.

              Bachman, West, King, Gohmert are not anecdotes, they are(or were) elected representatives to your highest legislative body. Issa, Santorum, Perry, Scott, Walker to name but a few are also elected to high public office and are all batshit crazy.
              What do you suggest we do?  Shout at the idiots who elected them until they magically stop being crazy and stupid?  We don't have the luxury in this country of our fascists being denied the legal right to run for office.  

              And speaking of which, if Germans are so reasonable and active, why do they need laws banning fascism?  Wouldn't they just reject it freely anyway?  Here's how it is: Germany received a good government as a benevolent gift from the Allies it had tried to destroy.  It deserves credit for not walking away from that like Japan seems to be doing, but be clear - it absolutely needs those laws banning fascism.

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              by Troubadour on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 11:13:00 AM PDT

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              •  Why are you on a progressive site? (1+ / 0-)
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                Germany received a good government as a benevolent gift from the Allies it had tried to destroy.  It deserves credit for not walking away from that like Japan seems to be doing, but be clear - it absolutely needs those laws banning fascism.
                Makes you sound like Rumsfeld.

                Fyi, I am not German - I am a Brit who has lived in 7 different countries.

                You obviously don;t understand my point. Any country that can elect people like Bachmann, Gohmert etc has a fundamental problem with their voters. They may not be a majority in the whole country, but they are pretty close. The use of Gerrimandering in red states perpetuates the influence of the loonies.

                The ridiculous 2 senators/state gives red states a disproportional voice in the governance of the nation. |And everybody just rolls over and accepts this.

                •  I could ask you the same thing. (0+ / 0-)

                  Why are you on a site dedicated to electing more and better Democrats when you think Democrats are a right-wing Party?

                  And what planet are you from where speaking against fascism sounds like a fascist?

                  Any country that can elect people like Bachmann, Gohmert etc has a fundamental problem with their voters. They may not be a majority in the whole country, but they are pretty close.
                  The country didn't elect them - a few tiny fragments of the country did.  
                  The ridiculous 2 senators/state gives red states a disproportional voice in the governance of the nation. |And everybody just rolls over and accepts this.
                  I agree it's silly, but Britain has fucking Lords and a Queen that nobody does anything to repeal, so don't give me that shit about "just rolling over and accepting it."

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                  by Troubadour on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39:37 AM PDT

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