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  •  He was the one who brought up Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe

    I just pointed his simplistic thinking.

    You don't care for Snowden or Greenwald. That's fine. Where you go off the rails IMHO is where you state that "Anybody celebrating either of them deserves to be compared to the same camp as the Pauls and Glenn Beck." Most people have heroes. Some view Snowden as a hero. Some consider the President their hero. I'm in neither camp.

    As far as I'm concerned there has been too much hero-worship ... on both sides. If you are honest, you will admit that many who are excusing the actions of this administration in regard to this issue would be vociferously on the side if the actions were taken by the Bush cabal. And of course, there are those who have allowed their disappointment with the President to affect how they respond. It's been difficult to take the politics out of the discussion.

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    by slatsg on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 05:55:52 PM PDT

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    •  Equal and opposite reactions (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't know that we have many, if any, who "excuse the actions of this (or any) administration" on this issue. There is a difference between "excusing' and "explaining" that some people can't seem to differentiate.

      The counter arguments that move in that direction are often in response to extreme similes and analogies to countries, conditions, and systems both currently or historically. That includes the negative (US is worse than the old KGB), or positive (well, at least Venezuela ...)

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 06:22:26 PM PDT

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      •  I will agree that many do attempt to explain (1+ / 0-)
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        Some excuse, while a few support the actions of the NSA and question the patriotism of those who don't.

        I think it would be interesting, and perhaps somewhat helpful to the community, if two diarists on opposing sides could co-author a diary with a civil exchange of opinions and then be there to answer the comments.

        I don't know if it's ever been done but there has to be at least one cool head on either side of the issue.

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        by slatsg on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 06:39:22 PM PDT

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