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  •  I Disagree (2+ / 0-)
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    protectspice, Ahianne

    This was not an SYG case. That defense was waived. That law is not at issue.  Common law self-defense, which ALEC does not appear to have anything to do with, was.

    I also disagree because young unarmed Black men have been shot down like dogs long before there ever was an ALEC to talk about.

    It's very easy to blame ALEC. What we need to blame is the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, who since the 1600's have believed that Black people's lives simply don't mean much, such that any bullshit person can spin any bullshit story and it will be believed. Especially if that young Black person wasn't angelic at the Jesus-innocent level.

    /sigh

    •  If you vote... (3+ / 0-)
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      MNDem999, scott5js, apimomfan2

      ...you can vote against legislators that legalize citizens taking up arms against citizens. There's lots of people don't need to change their hearts on that score, all they've got to do is bother to vote, every primary, every midterm, every election. Be as methodical in response to ALEC and their like as they are. They never miss an election. Not one.

      •  Black Votes Have Been Voting (2+ / 0-)
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        protectspice, a2nite

        We have protested, we have participated in the political process, we have done all those things.  And for the 50+ years since the law technically stopped interfering with that, nothing has changed whatsoever on this particular issue of unarmed young Black men being shot down like dogs by folks who just assume.  Always assuming.  Even though of course all it does is make an ass out of the person doing the assuming--and too often end the life of the other person who was just going on with his/her life.

        Sorry but the political process is not going to fix this. The law isn't going to fix this. Ultimately, this is a moment that is a reminder that we must self-defend, because the law sure ain't going to defend us, OR ensure that those who harm us will face true justice.

        Yes, right now, I'm angry and hurt and disgusted even though as a lawyer I knew this outcome was more likely than a conviction.

    •  You are absolutely right. SYG is a bad policy and (2+ / 0-)
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      shanikka, whaddaya

      a bad law, but in the end it had nothing to do with this case. The problem is that the jurors seem to have been itching to find an excuse to acquit Zimmerman. That's a lot broader problem than one bad law.

    •  You are correct. It wasn't SWG (0+ / 0-)

      Amazing how that misconception lingers, even among those writing diaries.

      At any rate, given this was old-fashioned self-defense, what laws do you think should be changed that would have made a difference?  While I favor stricter gun laws, Zimmerman had a legal weapons permit.  None of the proposed federal laws, which aren't going much of anywhere it seems, would have prohibited Zimmerman from being able to carry that gun.

      What other laws are people referring to?  

      •  No Law on Earth Would Have Made a Difference (0+ / 0-)

        This case is fundamentally about what is in the hearts and minds of Americans, deep down, when it comes to perceptions of Black people (Black men in particular.) For most now it isn't consciously so--but all that does it make it more dangerous, and more permanent, since everyone gets the benefit of plausible deniability.

        History has proven that. At some point, you just accept the reality and do what you gotta do with no more illusions.  That's where a number of Black people are in this country this morning, myself included (despite being a lawyer who in other contexts does still believe in the power of the law.)

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