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  •  Just writing from what I know (2+ / 0-)
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    annieli, CroneWit

    Agreed I'm not as well read in this subject as I should be. But someone needs to do it and since I got the ball rolling...

    •  absolutely, and it's important to get a handle on (3+ / 0-)

      the classical methods, understanding that on the Internet, productive debate might be impossible, which is why I don't engage in extended debate, since as one can see in DK, the bridge-dwellers' sociopathology trumps meaningful rhetorical pathos.

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

      by annieli on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 01:21:51 PM PDT

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      •  "Teach our children well" (3+ / 0-)
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        The next generation needs some guidance.

        •  film: Resolved (2007) (3+ / 0-)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/..._(film)

          Once the team from Long Beach has won the state championship while playing by the conventional rules of modern policy debate, the team is introduced by their coach Dave Wiltz to Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed. From there, the team from Jordan High changes their debate strategy, arguing against the current strategy used in high school debate, and using Freire's work to show the oppressive nature of the spread and the structure of debate as a whole. Along these lines, Jordan High's team chooses to read slowly and focus on persuasion rather than pure quick argumentation. The team's strategies of using hip-hop music and arguing that policy debate is structured to disadvantage minorities were inspired by The Louisville Project.
          At the end of the documentary, however, they are defeated by a "traditional" team- Rahul Hirani and Tim Jurka from Saint Francis High School (Mountain View). The judge defends his decision by stating that the Jordan High team convinced him that the structure of debate is flawed, but then the debaters went on to use the very structure of debate to continue to defend their arguments. Thus, their arguments were not consistent. They attempt to qualify for the tournament of champions, but this loss effectively curtails this dream. Moreover, one of the debaters is suspended, further ending any hope to this chance.

          Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

          by annieli on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 01:30:29 PM PDT

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        •  Indeed, rhetoric used to be taught in school. (4+ / 0-)

          It's absence has cost us something.

          Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

          by Dogs are fuzzy on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 01:58:21 PM PDT

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      •  You did do that on purpose, didn't you? (0+ / 0-)
        the bridge-dwellers' sociopathology trumps meaningful rhetorical pathos
        as an example of how to turn an argument into a flame war in one easy lesson?

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 03:39:08 PM PDT

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