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  •  TomDispatch ROCKS! Consistently... (16+ / 0-)

    ...one of the best, if not THE BEST, sources for Progressive commentary ANYWHERE! Thank you!

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 07:55:14 AM PDT

    •  The irony about Somali "terrorism"... (13+ / 0-)

      ...in recent news surrounding the U.S. surveillance state...per my comment in this community on 7/11/13...

      The domestic "war on terror" is a travesty... (52+ / 0-)

      ...and the hypocrisy and irony is beyond the pale, per a comment I made elsewhere at DKos over the past 24 hours:

          Our government turns its back when HSBC, Standard Chartered and Wachovia (now Wells Fargo), launder close to $1.5 trillion for South American drug cartels, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and international criminal gangs. But, when that starts getting press coverage the government steps in and fines those firms the equivalent of a few weeks worth of profits. (i.e.: HSBC received penalties of under $2 billion for laundering $800 million; their net income was over $13 billion in 2012; and, over $16 billion in 2011. Furthermore, they may then DEDUCT those penalties from their corporate tax bills, to boot!)

          But, when some poor Somali schmuck driving a cab in San Diego raises $23,000 for his former home nation's al Shabab organization, he's put front and center as the NSA's poster child for our country's DOMESTIC war on terror...and then he spends a good portion (if not all) of the remainder of his life in a U.S. prison cell.

          As for those exec's at HSBC, Standard Chartered, and Wachovia/Wells Fargo, they're all getting raises! (Gotta' keep up with those increases in their country club dues, ya' know!)

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 08:01:31 AM PDT

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    •  I agree Bob, but I really wish its writers (3+ / 0-)
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      would deign to comment when they repost stuff on DKos.

      I know I'm in the minority in this, but hit & run diaries bug the hell out of me, no matter how strongly I agree with them. I think the refusal to ever engage in comments shows a sort of contempt for this community.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 08:24:06 AM PDT

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      •  It takes hours to babysit a diary here (9+ / 0-)

        Which, needless to say, would discourage excellent writers who do not have that kind of time to expend.

        Furthermore, you have no guarantees on how a diary and its comments interact. Sometimes comments are nothing more than "good job" or "you suck" and it would be counterproductive to waste time sitting here for that when the time could be better spent.

        So, mandatory babysitting of informative investigative type diaries isn't necessary nor cool.


        A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

        by bronte17 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 08:32:47 AM PDT

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        •  The need to properly tend a diary is the biggest (4+ / 0-)
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          reason I don't write diaries myself.

          Of course you're right that many comment threads are a waste of time. Not all though; I'd like to think that even well-informed and politically astute writers like those at TomDispatch could benefit from the best this community has to offer and, like most of us, disregard the chaff.

          As I said, I know I'm in a minority on this.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 08:45:47 AM PDT

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          •  Here's the thing with TomDispatch (1+ / 0-)
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            Englehardt (Nick Turse?) edits the work of other writers and pulls it together.

            So, I'm not sure he would be comfortable stepping into an audience and speaking for the other writer.

            And, my comment was not intended to disparage the comment section of dkos. You shouldn't take "waste of time" from that outline of mine.

            It was just an observation.. mostly thinking about the well-crafted diaries that a diarist spent an inordinate amount of time and research on... only to receive just a handful of comments that are superficial. Que sera.


            A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

            by bronte17 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 01:01:17 PM PDT

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      •  Writers get to a point, if they're good enough... (6+ / 0-)

        ...where they're (simply) slammed, day-in and day-out, schedule-wise. So, it's a tradeoff. If you want truly outstanding writing, then it's probably going to come from folks that are very busy. I'd much rather see the comment threads in those types of posts come to life from those reading it (commenting amongst themselves), as opposed to not seeing those posts here, at all.

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 08:48:03 AM PDT

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      •  Except this is a crosspost, which I think (3+ / 0-)
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        makes a big difference.

        •  I thought about that. I agree (3+ / 0-)
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          it makes a difference. TomDispatch itself doesn't allow comments at all though, so its writers aren't engaging there either.

          It's telling that this off-topic subthread is the most active in this diary. These diaries, superb though they often are, mostly don't get traction here. I wanted to make this point in a diary I like, as I've been accused of only griping about hit and run diarists I disagree with, but I don't want to hijack the diary, so this will probably be my last comment here on this subject.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 09:33:55 AM PDT

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