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  •  In practice (1+ / 0-)
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    how realistic is it to regard them as US companies in the world of a globalized internet. Do people in Germany or Brazil have an alternative to dealing with Google?

    •  There is actually a lot of resistance (1+ / 0-)
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      At least in the area of privacy, where the EU in general and Germany in particular have stronger laws and a history of penalizing Google and Microsoft in particular, and things just got worse for them.

      I doubt they would suffer any immediate significant losses, but it certainly opens the doors for competitors, and with the trend of siting data centers in cold countries, this could certainly give a boost to EU cloud service providers to compete for more global business.

      What make Europe attractive is it is a heterogeneous region of smaller countries verses a monolith such as the USA or China, for example. This makes the EU a bit less threatening.

      If I was selling data services for a European company now, my FUD campaign would be brutal. So many new questions to ask in such a short time - the table has flipped at least for the near turn.

      Anyway, looks like Millennials are beginning to cool a bit on social media as they start to work and this spying crap is getting some traction.

      400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

      by koNko on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 06:56:47 AM PDT

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      •  From what I have been able to gather (2+ / 0-)
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        about the secret negotiations between the US and the EU over the proposed trans-Atlantic a primary agenda is to dilute the stronger regulations.

        •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

          But that was before this thing blew-up, and now that is a specific point of interest in the negotiations and one with potential to cause a rift between the UK and others, particularly Germany.

          Quite clearly the US and UK have been in bed on this for decades and have a special relationship they will protect. This might have been encouraged or tolerated in the past, just as Cold War bases in Germany were, but the nature of cyber spying is different and this issue becomes divisive.

          This Article goes to the heart of the matter of UK and German divisions, with Merkel calling for EU solidarity on regulations and the UK arguing for the regulatory "balance" (dilution) you refer to:

          Merkel added: "I expect a clear promise from the American government that in the future they will observe German law on German territory. We are friendly partners. We are in a defence alliance and we must be able to rely on each other."

          The European justice commissioner called on all EU member states to follow Merkel's lead on data protection reform. A draft directive was presented by the commission in January 2012 and EU officials hope it can be finalised before the European elections next year. It has formed one of the most controversial parts of the US-EU trade negotiations.

          "I would find it helpful if the European council in October – which will deal with the digital single market – could address this matter and speed up the work in council on this important matter," said Reding.

          The issue of US-UK internet surveillance is also to be raised at an informal meeting of European justice and home affairs ministers in Vilnius on Thursday and Friday this week.

          The UK justice minister Lord McNally, who will be at the meeting on Friday, gave a clear indication that Britain was likely to reject Merkel's call: "The government wants to see EU data protection legislation that protects the civil liberties of individuals while allowing for economic growth and innovation. These should be achieved in tandem, not at the expense of one or the other.

          "We do not believe the current European Union proposals strike the right balance. We are negotiating for EU legislation that contains less prescription and cost burdens while providing greater flexibility for member states to tailor legislation according to national tradition and practice."

          Britain has so far played a crucial role in blocking European agreement on the new data protection regime.

          400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

          by koNko on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 09:55:18 PM PDT

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          •  What I wonder about (1+ / 0-)
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            is if she and Holland are saying one thing in public and the opposite in secret negotiations. I've been following EU politics for a long time and it has its own special variety of dog and pony show.

            •  I'm sure they are (1+ / 0-)
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              But Merkel is facing an election and Holland is ... well, a fucking Socialist that eats stinky cheese and is living in sin.

              Merkel is not exactly a flaming Liberal, but she is, actually, from the East and supposedly passed the anti-Stasi smell test recently when the Green press was digging dirt, so she can probably express a fair amount of outrage without looking too ridiculous.

              Holland cannot lose staking the position he has. French. Different. It's a matter of pride, and everyone tolerates this behavior from them because they have Paris, etc.

              What is Obama going to do, slap import duties on BMWs and wine no one can afford now except his big ticket campaign contributors?

              World keeps turning.

              400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

              by koNko on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:56:42 AM PDT

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        •  The other one I was thinking of (0+ / 0-)

          This article in Der Spiegal outlines some EU discontent.

          Of course, where it goes is another matter, but let's at least say they got some leverage.

          400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

          by koNko on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 03:04:34 AM PDT

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