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  •  Probably not the Europeans, (4+ / 0-)
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    but I suspect some personal blackmail was applied to the South American countries when Snowden started making applications for asylum.  It would explain a number of things.

    Remember how Bradley Manning's personal chat logs were released revealing that he was a gay crossdresser with transgender leanings?  What was that all about?  I have no reason to doubt it was true, but they obviously had no shame about getting crap like that out there, and I have little doubt it was a part of a full-court press to discredit him and make him a less sympathetic character in the eyes of the American public.  

    Likewise, personal communications of Assange were leaked, and when he complained, many in the press said, "He can dish it out but he can't take it!"  As if there was parity between revealing secrets to the public about the goverment's misdeeds and tghe government revealing secrets to the public about a critic of the government.

    •  Once again you repeat this stuff, so (0+ / 0-)

      once again I must restate my criticism of these statements, which you have failed to address:

      I was also reminded of that a few years later when Julius Assange's rape allegations surfaced shortly after the big wikileaks release.  
      Assange has been releasing stuff about the US since early 2007.  If there was anything noteworthy about that time period, it's that it was a rather lull in publication.  And Assange's well-documented background of aggressive sexual behavior toward women hardly begins in late 2010.

      But hey, I'm sure you know more than the three investigating officers, two prosecutors, one police review board, one judge, the Svea Court of Appeals, the Swedish Supreme Court, the British Lower Court, the British High Court, and the British Supreme Court, right?  Are they all idiots who know less about the case than you, or are they all in on the conspiracy?

      I remember not very long after that when Bradley Manning was arrested, and the news became that Bradley Manning was no hero: he was a wannabe transsexual.
      It's Manning who said that.  Now you're really grasping at straws here.  If a person says that they're TS, that means that it's a government conspiracy to smear them?
      (1:47:01 PM) bradass87: im an army intelligence analyst, deployed to eastern baghdad, pending discharge for "adjustment disorder" in lieu of "gender identity disorder"
      (11:49:02 AM) bradass87: im in the desert, with a bunch of hyper-masculine trigger happy ignorant rednecks as neighbors... and the only safe place i seem to have is this satellite internet connection

      (11:49:51 AM) bradass87: and i already got myself into minor trouble, revealing my uncertainty over my gender identity ... which is causing me to lose this job ... and putting me in an awkward limb

      (1:13:10 PM) bradass87: i just ... dont wish to be a part of it ... at least not now ... im not ready ... i wouldn't mind going to prison for the rest of my life, or being executed so much, if it wasn't for the possibility of having pictures of me ... plastered all over the world press ... as [a] boy ...
      And on and on.  Personally I find it really offensive, what people like you and Assange are doing, treating any of Manning's mention of a female gender identity as some sort of smear.  It is NOT a smear to be TS if a person says they are, period.   Seriously, in your post you're analogizing someone convicted of picking himself up and exposing himself to kids, someone who's running from charges of rape and molestation.... and someone who says they're TS.  Seriously, in your mind, are these things the same category?  Ugh.
      Heck, Manning's own lawyers are pointing out that Manning is TS in manning's defense.  I'll repeat: in Manning's defense.  Manning's own, personally chosen lawyers.

      Oh, no, but to you and Assange, saying someone is TS is a smear...

      I'm sorry for harping on this, but it's a personal issue to me, this demonization of transpeople.

      And relative to this specific case you're posting now: the chat logs came from Adrian Lamo, the guy Manning was chatting with - Lamo was trying to defend his actions, and gave them to Wired, who was interviewing him.  

      Wired censored the logs.  They took out everything about Manning being TS and having a boyfriend - because to people like you, that's some sort of a smear, even if the person freely admits it, even if their own lawyers are using it in their defense in their trial.  However, because Wired censored the logs, Glen Greenwald - yes, that Glen Greenwald - started accusing Wired of hiding details exonerating to Manning.  Then another Guardian reporter posted the full, unedited chat logs between Manning and gay rights activist Zach Antolak, so all that info came out anyway.  As a consequence, Wired published the full logs.

      Oh, I'm sorry, does your conspiracy theory have a few holes you might want to stop up?

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