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  •  That's the part I just can't fathom (12+ / 0-)

    How is it ok to stalk somebody, and then claim you were defending yourself from them?

    What's next, bank robber claims self defense because the guard had a gun?

    "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

    by libdevil on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:58:31 AM PDT

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    •  In Florida many whites think it's OK (4+ / 0-)

      To keep blacks "in their place" using violence.

      That means that a young black male is suspect in a nice neighborhood, because they are not likely to be one of the "help."

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 12:13:36 PM PDT

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    •  As I understand it, the defense was able (2+ / 0-)
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      to separate the early part of the event, GZ tracking TM, from the actual confrontation.  Following someone is not illegal if it's not stalking (requires intent to harm, I think).  The details about the confrontation came from statements to police, from recollections of a cellphone conversation with TM, from eyewitness testimony of people who only saw flashes of the confrontation (fight? struggle?), but NOT from court testimony by GZ who invoked his 5th Amendment rights.  Unlike in other states, Florida's self-defense law does not require the defense to prove there was cause for self-defense.  The defense can just assert it and it is up to the prosecution to disprove it.  There was just enough doubt the jury could acquit. (I thought GZ was a liar and had no injuries at all consistent with his multiple stories. I don't know how much of that info the jury was allowed to see.) Basically, Fla law allowed GZ to follow someone, get out of his car against dispatcher advice, confront, then claim self-defense.  It's not like the dead can talk...  It's a dangerously stupid law brought to us by the same type of people for who "corporations are people" and "corporations have free speech (money)".  It could be the exact same people, given how often laws are written by lobbyists and front-groups.

      •  When you follow someone with a gun.. (1+ / 0-)
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        that constitutes stalking with intent to harm. At least in sane parts of the world. Not in Florida.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:11:55 AM PDT

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