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  •  I like your idealism. (8+ / 0-)

    Politics is the art of the possible, eh?
    Problem is, since 1994's Contract On America, that has not been what the Republican Party has been aiming for. Their intent has been to defund the government and implement their policy objectives by any means necessary, which is the exact opposite of the "art of the possible." I think it is fair to say that after a few elections, their constituents certainly agreed with those objectives when they pulled the R levers . . .

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:17:29 AM PDT

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    •  Or (2+ / 0-)
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      they pulled the levers over the shiny object/morality play issues and are blissfully ignorant that they've been taken for a ride, everything being the fault of those damned liberals.
      Granted, not all of them, but the majority of blue collar conservatives I know have little to no idea what their party of choice really stands for. They believe it's God-fearing, patriotic Christians against filthy homosexual hippie anti-American assholes.
      They buy the dog and pony show hook, line and sinker because it makes them certain of their own rightness and gives them a massive group of people to feel superior to. That's all they need.
      And any collateral damage done by their guys in the houses of power is all due to "liberals". No need to explain how. It's just "liberals". That 7-letter 4-letter word.

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:27:55 AM PDT

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      •  'twas ever thus. (1+ / 0-)
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        Voters being snookered has a long history in this country, and nothing you or I or any number of well-meaning bully pulpiteers has been able to change that. You have to work with that knowledge in mind when crafting your own campaigns/platforms. Railing against ignorance (not saying you are doing this!) is no way to go through political life, son.
        (And yes, this is an "Animal House" reference, not a condescending comment in and of itself!)

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:40:41 AM PDT

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        •  Got it. (2+ / 0-)

          Mayhaps 'twas ever thus.

          But mostly since 1980. I was 24 in '80. I remember Congress functioning much, much, MUCH more smoothly before the Conservatives were all the way in bed with the GOP. Once they got the numbers, the game got waaaay nastier and has remained so. It's mud wrestling in a pig sty. That ain't mud they're rolling in anymore.

          For instance, many of the conservative assholes Reagan despised and thought to be no-good were exactly the people GDub brought into his administration. Reagan had no use for Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al and had no room for them in his administration. But they found their way in easily a few administrations later.

          Same as it ever was, yes. But much, much worse.

          Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

          by Gentle Giant on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:48:35 AM PDT

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          •  Sure enough. (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't necessarily agree with your contention that the modern (post-1979) public is any more ignorant than we've been throughout our history, but I will agree that the Reagan Republican Party is certainly more caustic than most parties have been. And that they have been more duplicitous as well. Think how duped the religious right has been as a whole, although now it seems they are finally getting "their due" for having been the engine of the Party for 3 decades. Maybe they just had to wait their turn . . .

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:59:12 AM PDT

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            •  well, (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm not saying the public is more deluded since 1979. I'm saying the politicians on the right are much nastier and more ill-behaved in that time frame than the preceding decades.

              And actually, voters were more informed in the pre-television age and especially the age preceding radio. Public speaking was a form of entertainment and edification, and it wasn't only the college-educated and public servants doing the speaking.
              The small farming community in upstate NY that I grew up in is a good example. When my brother became the pastor of the church we grew up in, funds were raised for remodeling, repairing and upgrading the church building, which was originally built in 1875 after the first structure burnt down. The town was established in the early 1770s. A journal found in the rafters of the church during remodeling was rife with historical ambience, including some humorous stories.
              One of the entries I read regarded the mule-drawn library wagon that followed the water line down from Rochester in the mid 19th century and how residents emptied it out every time. Books were read avidly and gatherings were created to discuss them. Speakers would draw crowds at the crossroads and speak on topics of all kinds. In short, the farmers and pottery factory workers, the millers and smiths, gathered in intellectual pursuits. The exchange of ideas was cherished.
              So while I don't profess that the modern public is more ignorant today than ever before, I do hold that there were times in our nations history when common people actively informed themselves on many subjects and do so not only for entertainment but for self-improvement. Some still do that today. I wonder if the same percentage of the populace today could say the same.

              Also, witness the eloquence of the civil war soldier's letters home vs. the level of eloquence generally employed in correspondence today. Communication may be much faster and far-reaching now, but it is arguably not of the same quality.

              Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

              by Gentle Giant on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 01:29:04 PM PDT

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              •  On all of this we are in agreement. (1+ / 0-)
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                I would actually add more fuel to your fire by stating that it has been one of the goals of the right wing to kill the economy so that the public doesn't have the time or energy to become better informed, as well.
                I guess I'm thinking of pre-Civil War era (my academic bailiwick) pols--there were some very seriously nasty men in politics back then!

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 01:36:08 PM PDT

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