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  •  Oh good grief. It's been shown repeatedly. (9+ / 0-)

    But if you want to pretend ignorance, here....

    From kossack Siri three days ago:

    La Nacion Interview (In Spanish)
       -¿Más allá de las revelaciones sobre el funcionamiento del sistema de espionaje en general, ¿qué información extra tiene Snowden?

        -Snowden cuenta con suficiente información como para causar más daño al gobierno estadounidense él solo en un minuto del que cualquier otra persona haya tenido jamás en la historia de Estados Unidos. Pero ése no es su objetivo. Su objetivo es dejar al descubierto programas informáticos que personas en todo el mundo utilizan sin saber a qué están exponiéndose y sin haber aceptado conscientemente ceder sus derechos a la privacidad. Tiene una enorme cantidad de documentos que serían muy dañinos para el gobierno de Estados Unidos si fueran hechos públicos.

    My translation
    Other than the revelations about the functioning of the spying systems in general, what extra information does Snowden have?

    Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the US government in one minute than any other person has ever had in the history of the United States. But that's not his objective. His objective is to reveal the information programs that people in the whole world use without knowing that they are exposing themselves and without having consciously accepted ceding their rights to privacy. He has an enormous quantity of documents that could be be very damaging for the government of the United States if they were made public.

    So everyone jumped on that 1st sentence without adding what Greenwald says in the very next breath and no one bothered to actually look it up because I guess Spanish is hard.

    pffft

    •  My translation? (4+ / 0-)
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      duhban, sviscusi, dhonig, Reggid

      That was the full interview?

      Actually there was a follow up question:

      Teme que alguien trate de matarlo?

      -Es una posibilidad, aunque no creo que traiga muchos beneficios para nadie a estas alturas. Ya distribuyó miles de documentos y se aseguró de que varias personas alrededor del mundo tengan su archivo completo. Si algo le llegara a pasar, esos documentos serían hechos públicos. Ésa es su póliza de seguro. El gobierno estadounidense debe estar de rodillas todos los días rogando que nada le ocurra a Snowden, porque si algo le llega a suceder, toda la información será revelada y ésa sería su peor pesadilla.

      Translated

      He fears someone is trying to kill him?

      It's a possibility, although I do not bring many benefits to anyone at this point. Already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file. If something were to happen, those documents would be made ​​public. This is your insurance policy. The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.

      •  How monstrous of him ... (4+ / 0-)
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        priceman, WheninRome, 3goldens, snoopydawg

        to try and insure his government doesn't kill him!  Surely that's something only a traitor would do!  I'm sure you and I and everyone else here on DKos would be glad to have our government kill us and would never do anything to discourage them from killing us.

        “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

        by jrooth on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 01:00:38 PM PDT

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      •  So he's not threatening,... (7+ / 0-)

        ...but merely acknowledging that there's a dead man's switch.  That's not GG's threat, just a statement of fact and of consequences that Snowden set in place (wisely).  GG doesn't cast it with flowers around it, but what he says is accurate, as far as we know, and accuracy is the goal of journalism.

        Also, in the passage I blockquoted above, that's Siri's translation, which was pretty good.  Yours in the next comment is off.  Corrected by me this time:

        It's a possibility, although I don't believe that brings many benefits for anyone at this point. He already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have his entire archive. If something were to happen, those documents would be made ​​public. This is his insurance policy.
        •  You forgot the last sentence. (2+ / 0-)
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          duhban, Reggid

          Why are you avoiding it?

          •  Because your translation of that was pretty good. (1+ / 0-)
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            joanneleon

            I don't feel the need for redundancy, assuming most readers here can carry an idea from one comment to another.  My comment addresses that sentence you got right.  Deal with my argument.  Is Greenwald threatening the US govt or is he acknowledging Snowden's insurance policy?  You (following Reuters' lead unquestioningly) have made this about Greenwald; now defend that.  Why are you avoiding it?

            •  Uh huh... right. (1+ / 0-)
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              Reggid
              •  Ooooh, such a weighty rebuttal. (5+ / 0-)

                Fine, here's that last sentence...

                El gobierno estadounidense debe estar de rodillas todos los días rogando que nada le ocurra a Snowden, porque si algo le llega a suceder, toda la información será revelada y ésa sería su peor pesadilla.
                And my translation
                The US government ought to be on its knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something were to come to pass, all the information would be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.
                Happy now, Yoshimi?  Turns out you did blow that translation, too, making it more antagonistic (with "your") than it was.

                Greenwald does not threaten with this statement, but he also does not shrink from acknowledging a likely causal chain if Snowden is harmed.  If one of us kossacks says the US government ought to stop its drone wars against Yemenis or there will probably be more terrorists looking to get us, are we also threatening the government?  Or are we just acknowledging likely outcomes?

            •  In response to your question (1+ / 0-)
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              Reggid

              I think Glenn feels powerless in the Snowden Caper now that Snowden is no longer involved with him and Glenn feels the need to talk big on Snowden's behalf to still appear to be the center of the story.

              It is a threat but I do think Glenn is blindly making it without much input from Snowden.

      •  A distinction can be made between (3+ / 0-)

        damaging the US government and damaging the US. The one is (supposedly) representative of the other, but our government is not identical to our nation.

        The US government as presently constituted (especially in reference to its "national security" enterprise) is not accurately representative of the USA.

      •  Lost in translation... (1+ / 0-)
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        dance you monster

        IMHO, what he said is that the US government is probably on it's knees every day praying that...

        “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

        by 420 forever on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 01:33:24 PM PDT

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