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  •  No, they're not one of the better ones (2+ / 0-)
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    Richard Lyon, awhitestl

    Nice to work for, if you don't mind helping to facilitate the biggest, most invasive surveillance apparatus ever imagined. Even Orwell couldn't anticipate the magnitude of a company that records every keystroke, tracks every move you make and sells the data to whoever's buying.

    I never liked you and I always will.

    by Ray Blake on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:25:10 PM PDT

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    •  you're smoking crack (3+ / 0-)
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      Chaoslillith, TheHalfrican, native

      They do none of that.  They track your browsing habits to custom deliver advertisements that are relevant to your interests.

      They are also how the majority of the free web, including this site, cover their costs.   Without google or a similar service, the whole internet would be pay sites.

      Praxis: Bold as Love

      by VelvetElvis on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 11:43:13 PM PDT

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      •  They've also got a progressive-minded business (5+ / 0-)

        Progressive in business, in my view, is different than being progressive in politics.  

        In progressive business structure and approach, this means companies like Google are more forward thinking and not operating under a mechanical structure where everything is authority and bosses are always dicks.  In the Google world, everyone works together and is a team player.  I've met and talked to quite a number of Google folks during a June 2010 recruiting event at the San Francisco office of the company when it was just about to officially merge DoubleClick into its operations (Google bought Doubleclick a number of years ago).  Google pointed out that all the hiring at Doubleclick to begin with would be from that event.  The company took chances with this as opposed to simply depending on folks applying on the job board.  In fact, I have yet to meet someone at Google who got his/her job by a recruiter contacting him/her through an application to Google's careers page.  Google I think prefers hiring via referral and in-person as opposed to dealing with job boards.  They always get job inquiries anyway considering they're so damn popular.

        Anyway, in talking to the Google people in June 2010, all of them were very non-systematic.  They don't like mechanical structure, traditional authority.  They like innovation, creativity and being able to make a difference.  And just about every single person loves his/her position.  Hell, being a person who works in the marketing industry, I was at the Ad:Tech convention at San Francisco a few months ago and Google's new Engage group showed up.  This group is more about developing community relations whereas normal groups within Google are about developing, testing and marketing products.  My sense is that Google wants to innovate and engage users at all levels.

        And something not enough Kossacks admit:  Google seldom lays off people except in the cases of acquisitions and maybe some contract workers during the Great Recession.  Other than that, you hear more headlines of banks laying off people than Google.

        It also helps that folks at Google have a lot more freedom to work their work schedule to fit their lifestyle and personality.  Quite a few people on Kos criticize Google for the privacy and Internet concerns but outside of the Kos world, EVERYONE wants to work for Google.

        •  Yeah, I pretty much agree with every word there (0+ / 0-)

          Praxis: Bold as Love

          by VelvetElvis on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 03:00:44 AM PDT

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        •  no google is evil sorry (0+ / 0-)

          and you're PART OF THE PROBLEM if you use Google Maps for directions.

          Fucking Whatever.

          "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

          by TheHalfrican on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:39:23 AM PDT

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          •  Ok but lots of us use Google search as well (0+ / 0-)

            Don't tell me you don't use Google search more than any other search engine out there.  Google search gives lots of Kossacks the ability to efficiently research so without it, I don't think Daily Kos would be as effective in the stories it reports.

            Oh sure, other search engines might be just as powerful but the two other players have yet to really take over Google's might:  Yahoo is cluttered with too much information and isn't organized as efficiently whereas Bing is really just hype.

            •  There are alternatives that are just as powerful (0+ / 0-)

              as Google and they don't collect and sell your personal information. Google is a bad habit that's easily broken. Try dogpile.com or startpage.com. You'll be glad you did!

              I never liked you and I always will.

              by Ray Blake on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:55:27 AM PDT

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      •  No, you've been smoking Eric Schmidt's crack (1+ / 0-)
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        koNko

        Google is a serial privacy violator, they sell data from your email, from everything you do in Chrome or its search engine, from the Android App store, from Google street view. But it's all good because they generously "custom deliver ads relevant to [my] interests". They're swell guys 'n gals who just want to make the internet cheaper for all. No, Google is a massive corporate surveillance machine.

        At the Techonomy conference in 2010, Eric Schmidt predicted that "true transparency and no anonymity" is the way forward for the internet: "In a world of asynchronous threats it is too dangerous for there not to be some way to identify you. We need a [verified] name service for people. Governments will demand it." He also said that "If I look at enough of your messaging and your location, and use artificial intelligence, we can predict where you are going to go. Show us 14 photos of yourself and we can identify who you are. You think you don't have 14 photos of yourself on the internet? You've got Facebook photos!"

        I never liked you and I always will.

        by Ray Blake on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 01:42:37 AM PDT

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        •  just a stray thought, but (1+ / 0-)
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          awhitestl

          if everyone on-line could be an identified, certified human, then  verifiable on-line voting becomes a possibility.  Of course,  this does play hob with the notion of the privacy of the voting booth.

          If everyone could participate directly in governance, so-called "Representatives" could be eliminated as redundant.

          yeah, I know; pretty far out there...

          don't always believe what you think

          by claude on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:06:57 AM PDT

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