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  •  you don't value your privacy so much (1+ / 0-)
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    jayden

    ...that you aren't willing to trade it for association.

    If the government fines you $50 (subject to ability to pay) every time you go to a union meeting, there's still no overt action preventing you from associating. You pay the $50, you get to associate. It's still unconstitutional.

    •  Fining me $50 is an overt act (0+ / 0-)

      and BTW, I do value my privacy to the point where I forego certain rigged forms of association, no fecebook, no twitter, no cell phone, but that's not because the government might be interested, it's about corporate data collection which I find far more intrusive and annoying.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 05:37:30 PM PDT

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      •  It is corporations who are spying on us (6+ / 0-)

        Booz Allen Hamilton (in which the Carlyle Group is heavily invested) was hired by the NSA to do the hoovering of all of our data.

        What will BAH do with that same info as a private corporation?

        Already with all the cookies I have to delete and/or block it's a major intrusion and annoyance.  A very few cookies for trusted genealogy web sites is really all I approve of - not these other corporate marketing cookies I loathe.

        I lead one of the most boring lives on the planet (and I also do not have a cell phone or iPad or the like).  I do genealogy research - a topic of no interest or value to anyone except other genealogy researchers or certain family members who think family history is interesting - the other family members' eyes glaze over in boredom.

        However, boring life notwithstanding, I reserve the right to lead my extraordinarily boring life in PRIVATE - per the Fourth Amendment before the fucking illegal and unconstitutional Patriot Act was written (it needs repealing in its entirety, along with the other illegal and unconstitutional acts passed that have taken away more of our rights and habeas corpus!).

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 08:56:35 PM PDT

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        •  I agree and am with you 100% (2+ / 0-)
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          It's the private sector mining our info that worries me more than the government. Corporations WILL act on your info, spam you, blacklist you, sell you up and down, track you with ads, et cetera. Particularly health data and financial data integrity worry me and those are ripped wide open by insurance companies and credit ratings agencies.
          And I agree that the PATRIOT ACT should be repealed and if there was a way to punish the bas+ards that put it through, I'd pull that lever.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 04:30:31 AM PDT

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          •  This bears repeating (3+ / 0-)
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            And I agree that the PATRIOT ACT should be repealed and if there was a way to punish the bas+ards that put it through, I'd pull that lever.
            The ones who voted it in AND the ones who keep extending this nonsense.

            I have a list of unconstitutional and illegal legislation that needs repealing.  Not merely changing itty bitty parts of them here and there and leaving the rest of the illegal laws in place, but completely REPEALED IN THEIR ENTIRETY:

            AUMF [As far as I know, no one had a constitutional convention so Congress can't 'give up' its duties, one of which is war powers and the power of the purse to finance two years of war.]
            Patriot Act [We need ALL of our rights back.]
            MCA '06 [This took away habeas corpus.  WTF?  That's been a right of everyone since 1215.  Give it back!!!]
            FISA fiasco '08 [Telecoms employ legions of lawyers who are supposed to tell their bosses they can't do spying on us without a proper warrant.  There was no reason to grant them blanket immunity.  What were they thinking?!?  Obama voted FOR this crap.]
            MCA '09 [What was the point in "strengthening" an already illegal Military Commissions Act???  This happened under Obama.  Instead of leading the repeal of the first illegal MCA '06, he led the way to "strengthen" the unconstitutional laws.  W.T.F.???]

            While they're at it, they need to repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley and just simply reinstate the original Glass-Steagall.  It's all good and well to do a "modern" Glass Steagall, but that mess needs to be rewritten, too.  It's worded like the Patriot Act in that it has a lot of "insert this here" nonsense, and who the hell has time to go look up existing law and find out what they want to insert.  That's how that mess of a Patriot Act became legal.  "Insert this here" or "Add this phrase here" to modify existing law is patent idiocy for passing laws.  Write it out in full - what it was, what they propose to pass or change - and compare one to another and then pass it if it's worth passing.  To me, the "new and improved" Warren proposed bill is no more than writing loopholes.  Reinstate the original bill to keep the various banking institutions separate, which was the whole point of the original bill in the first place, and repeal and negate Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

            WHERE are the heads of the idiots who write this legislation?  Have they never heard of, or read, Thomas Jefferson on how laws SHOULD be written???

            Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.
             ~ Thomas Jefferson
            Jefferson wrote laws for people of every, or no, educational background, all based on ordinary common sense and written in simple language even an uneducated person could understand.  THIS is why the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are so much fun to read.  Simple elegance, concise language, and those simply-written laws say MUCH more than the loophole-laden legislation passed in modern America.

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 08:18:08 AM PDT

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          •  Corporations can't arrest you. Governments can. (1+ / 0-)
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            "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

            by Mogolori on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:08:44 PM PDT

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