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  •  this is a 2009 story. (2+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, tapestry

    sometimes cops make stupid mistakes.  Not every single police incident is straight out of the Gestapo manual.  Or maybe you've been reading too many of these nonsensical diaries to be aware of that...

    •  No, it was not a stupid mistake (5+ / 0-)

      I don't care if it was Bob Dylan or Bob Dillon, my next door neighbor.  What has this country come to when someone is simply walking down the street and police stop him and demand his papers?

      What has it come to when people are calling the police about anyone they don't recognize? And the police respond, and demand papers?

      You say this is a 2009 story - no, it isn't. It's a story that happens thousands of times every day all across this country. Our rights and personal freedoms have been shredded at the altar of public safety. We are searched, x-rayed, our phone conversations monitored, our internet searches logged, tracked by GPS, you name it.

      Fact is, the Gestapo could only dream of what our own police state carries out every day.

      Just last month in the next city over, 11 women who worked at the city jail were made to strip and spread their legs and butt cheeks because an inmate lied and said one of them had smuggled in a cell phone. If they didn't do it, they were going to be fired. And you think you still have rights?

      How about last week when the police in my town broke down the door and terrorized a mother and 3 children because they had a tip she was selling drugs? Turns out it was the next door neighbor, a racist fuck who had it in for the woman, who made the tip.  Please tell me, when the police can come breaking into your home, terrorize your family, search your house and your person, etc. all on an anonymous tip.  How is this any different from what happened in Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, or indeed what our own soldiers did to innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan?

      Or maybe you just like believing in the nonsensical fiction that you are spoon fed every day to keep you ignorant to be aware of what is really going on in this country. I guess ignorance is bliss.

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      by absdoggy on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 06:26:37 PM PDT

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      •  this is the vilest comment I have seen on this (1+ / 0-)
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        'Fact is, the Gestapo could only dream of what our own police state carries out every day.'

        despicable, and beyond sick.

        Good day.

      •  Yes, the NJ treated Bob Dylan like any other Jew (1+ / 0-)
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        N in Seattle

        They worked him until near starvation, gassed him, then took the gold filling out of his teeth to sell.

        Your sense of history, equivalence, and decorum are unmatchable.

        •  The Gestapo were elements of the police state (2+ / 0-)
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          What was the Gestapo?

          The Gestapo had the authority to investigate cases of treason, espionage, sabotage and criminal attacks on the Nazi Party and Germany. The basic Gestapo law passed by the government in 1936 gave the Gestapo carte blanche to operate without judicial oversight. The Gestapo was specifically exempted from responsibility to administrative courts, where citizens normally could sue the state to conform to laws. As early as 1935, however, a Prussian administrative court had ruled that the Gestapo's actions were not subject to judicial review.

          "As long as the police carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally."  

          The power of the Gestapo most open to misuse was called Schutzhaft—"protective custody", a euphemism for the power to imprison people without judicial proceedings.

          This doesn't sound more and more like what's going on in this country now?

          My point is that what you see going on in this country now is exactly what happened in the 1930s in Germany as far as the state taking away rights in the name of public safety.

          Of course there is no equivalence to the horror of the holocaust and the rest of the atrocities committed by the Nazis.  But there is a growing equivalence to the police state in which we live.

          Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

          by absdoggy on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:38:29 AM PDT

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        •  You do realize, don't you, (0+ / 0-)

          ...that the death camps were the end result of a 1000 years of German anti-Semitism? They wouldn't have been possible if that entire national culture hadn't been made to reek of the doctrine that their fellow human beings were less than animals (though the outward expression of that prejudice is mostly contained to the former East Germany these days).

          Every little evil that a culture accepts as banal brings them closer to the event horizon (& witness how little moral outrage you see anymore concerning America's still-standing torture dungeons...). Atrocities become possible precisely because people think nothing of them.

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