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  •  Why doesn't Maine adopt ranked choice voting? (2+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101, Odysseus

    Why don't democrats push ranked choice voting?

    How bout vote by mail?

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    by No Exit on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 06:45:26 AM PDT

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    •  We do push vote by mail (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't think either party wants to push an instant-runoff variety of ranked choice because that'd show higher support for minor parties and reward protest votes.  Agree or disagree, that's what the reasoning probably is, if they gave it much thought at all.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:00:24 AM PDT

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      •  if you had ranked choice voting... (3+ / 0-)
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        lyvwyr101, Odysseus, Mike Kahlow

        you wouldn't have governor lepuke...

        i have little sympathy for the democrats fear of third parties...  and if they don't want ranked choice voting, it only further detracts from their LOTE argument, which at the national level seems to be their strongest argument.

        maine in particular seems supportive of third party candidacies.  maybe it is time to give it some thought.

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        by No Exit on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:13:07 AM PDT

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        •  looking at the numbers, (1+ / 0-)
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          the dem should have just endorsed Cutler, just like Meek should have endorsed Crist against Rubio.

          Do you need to have 50% in IRV?  how are the remaining votes allocated to avoid potential one person one vote problems?

          I think more municipalities should experiment, but I'd worry more about finance issues and access to the polls.  Ranked choice is not effectively different from a "jungle primary," which put some Rs in some safe D seats in California.

          Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

          by Loge on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:21:11 AM PDT

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          •  yes, instant runoffs generate >50% solutions. (3+ / 0-)
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            Loge, No Exit, Jahiegel

            Getting to a candidate with majority support, however lukewarm, i usually the goal.

            Arrow's Impossibility Theorem guarantees that you will always have some questionable results.  If you want to be serious in any way about electoral reform, you have to know this.

            As for how to reallocate votes when candidates are dismissed, there's more than one way to do it.

            The Condorcet Method pairs off the candidates and sees who would win the most total races.  This usually eliminates any "third party spoiler" effect, since voters can be expected to rank two compatible parties above one incompatible party.

            Instant Runoff Voting typically eliminates the single candidate with the lowest total, and reassigns their constituents to their second choices.  Repeat until a majority candidate is selected.

            As noted in Wikipedia, IRV is currently in use in several US jurisdictions.

            IRV is employed by several jurisdictions in the United States, including Portland, Maine; San Francisco[5] and Oakland in California;[6] Minneapolis and Saint Paul in Minnesota.[5]
            I highly encourage you to talk to people in those jurisdictions and see what their experience is.

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            by Odysseus on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 08:15:37 AM PDT

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            •  i do know the arrow and condorcet theorems, (1+ / 0-)
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              but i'm not really giving this a lot of thought this a.m. given that it's such an unlikely possibility of this ever being adopted on a broad scale.  

              If Maine's only city already does this, they can convince the rest of the state to follow.  Or not.  Don't really care.

              Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

              by Loge on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:39:32 AM PDT

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    •  Especially in primaries, everywhere (4+ / 0-)
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      lyvwyr101, Odysseus, Mike Kahlow, No Exit

      Ranked choice could make a difference in primaries. Everywhere. That's where you more typically see large fields of candidates.

      Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

      by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:13:38 AM PDT

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