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  •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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    eps62

    So now the progressive community is endorsing the idea that if someone is disturbing you by following you at a distance, rather than walking briskly to your father's house a few minutes away, calling your dad for help, calling the police, or confronting the guy verbally, it's OK instead to sucker-punch him and give him a beating?

    Or, to put it another way, if you do something stupid but perfectly legal like follow some random dude (but not threaten him in any overt way) and he attacks you and you defend yourself according to the law, you should go to jail for decades?

    Why don't we just throw in the towel and suggest that everyone carry a gun?

    •  Gad. (8+ / 0-)

      1.  You don't know what Treyvon was thinking.  He couldn't testify.  He's dead.  Did he have no right to stand his ground?  Maybe he felt threatened.

      2.  You can't sucker punch someone unless they're standing in front of you.  Standing in front of someone is not how you follow them.

      Come to whatever conclusion makes you happy.

      "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

      by Rikon Snow on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 09:28:58 AM PDT

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      •  Alas, the evidence... (1+ / 0-)
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        The trouble is, the evidence actually introduced in court doesn't conform to the narrative. I'm a progressive, I hate the NRA and concealed-carry laws and gated communities, for that matter. But I hate political correctness more, and only those who are willfully blind to the evidence can still claim that it was Zimmerman who did the confronting and not Martin who initiated the physical violence.

        •  Total Bullshit (11+ / 0-)

          Zimmerman got out of his truck, against expert advice, to "follow" a "suspect" after being told there was no need to do that.

          ZIMMERMAN started it.

          In any sane country he would be doing time for manslaughter.

          But this country is not sane on the subject of race relations, and never has been.

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 09:45:37 AM PDT

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        •  There was testimony (1+ / 0-)
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          and only those who are willfully blind to the evidence
          but little evidence with the exception of Zimmerman being told to stay in his car and his disobeying resulting in the most substantial evidence, a young black mans corpse.

          one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK

          by Klick2con10ue on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 10:26:26 AM PDT

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        •  I've listened to a lot of evidence (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't have cable, so I haven't watched any media about it. I've listened to the police interrogations of Zimmerman and watched the drive through recreation of that night with the Sanford PD.
          I can't prove it, because there are no witnesses other than GZ, but it really sounds like he saw him after the 911 call, and tackled him him. I don't think Martin sprang out of somewhere and tried to fight him. I think GZ made that up. Can't prove it. But if you listen to all the interviews, it feels like that is what really happened because he keeps crossing himself up.

          "Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

          by dancerat on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 11:21:32 AM PDT

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        •  There are problems with GZ's shifting stories. (0+ / 0-)

          To say that there are inconsistencies between the defense's re-enactment and Zimmerman’s verbal and written testimony elsewhere is to be charitable.

          For instance, in an interview Zimmerman gave to the police the night of the shooting, he says of Martin: “I was walking back through to where my car was, and he jumped out from the bushes.”

          However, in the video re-enactment, which took place a day after the murder, it’s clear not only that there are no bushes near the sidewalk but also that Zimmerman never mentions Martin’s jumping out from anywhere.

          And so on.  Charles Blow did a column on this.

          Zimmerman was supposedly 'standing his ground' because he felt threatened. But so was Martin. I mean, if you had just gone to pick up some candy and were walking home by yourself with no weapons, when suddenly some crazed middle aged guy runs after you with a gun, wouldn't you try to defend yourself too?

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