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  •  Over at the National Review (14+ / 0-)

    this is how they are reacting.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/...

    Basically they say this article is a lie and that the average healthcare costs in NY are $357 per month, not $1,000.  And that, oxymoronically, they also say that NY already had a healthcare market heavily infused with Obamacare ideas and was one of the more expensive states.

    So, if I have this right, they are saying... NY already basically has Obamacare and so it's not too surprising that the savings of the new Obamacare would be a lot.  Except that the real health insurance rates are actually low in NY (even though it basically has Obamacare) and the savings of the new Obamacare isn't really significant.

    Or possibly the concluding line:

    I’ll publish a more detailed analysis of New York’s insurance rates soon, but in the meantime, take the Times piece with a big grain of salt.
    means that they really don't know how to spin this article yet but they'll get back to the sheeple soon.

    We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

    by theotherside on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:52:11 AM PDT

    •  "The Times Falsely Claims" , says post title. (5+ / 0-)

      But the body says he's still researching why it's false.  Huh.  It's almost as if he's predisposed or something.

      "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

      by Inland on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 07:58:47 AM PDT

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      •  Since the November election (4+ / 0-)
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        Yahoo! news (also known as Associated Press) has been relentlessly concern trolling with multiple stories about ObamaCare.

        I have never seen a law so relentlessly propagandized against and I do not deep concern from Yahoo! or David Gregory about the Republican-led passage of Medicare D, which actually did dramatically raise the cost of prescription medications and actually did threaten death panels as seniors had to choose between groceries or paying for the donut hole created by Medicare D.

        "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

        by FiredUpInCA on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:02:44 AM PDT

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        •  Meant to say, "do not recall deep concern...." (2+ / 0-)
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          "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

          by FiredUpInCA on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 10:06:07 AM PDT

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    •  It did have some 'Obamacare ideas' (3+ / 0-)
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      specifically that you couldn't be refused for pre-existing conditions. However, insurance regulations did not have mandatory coverage, which is a necessary companion to avoid huge premiums.

      Naturally this detail wasn't explicitly stated in the article because insurance companies refusing people for pre-existing conditions isn't a very sympathetic position.

    •  Well If It's a Dog, It Won't Hunt (2+ / 0-)
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      I mean... the people of New York presumably know what they pay for insurance.  If the figures are made up, they aren't going to fool any new yorkers.

      Too Folk For You. - Schmidting in the Punch Bowl - verb - Committing an unexpected and underhanded political act intended to "spoil the party."

      by TooFolkGR on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:01:10 AM PDT

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    •  New York's particular regulations (2+ / 0-)
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      which already obligated insurers to write all comers, mean that all the Obamacare regulations are cost-saving ones there.

      In some states, where insurers could redline customers or redline specific health issues ("We'll insure you for everything except your lungs, Mr. Asthmatic"), the effect may well be to increase rates - because the old rates were not for the same services.

      The other way to cherry pick your numbers is to compare the new plans to only the old individual plans or to only the old/current group plans. Which group is currently healthier and less expensive to insure depends on the state regulations, which are very different. For example, in California, unhealthy people simply can't join the individual insurance market.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 09:53:38 AM PDT

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    •  will they be soon ressurecting (1+ / 0-)
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      their "death panels" claim?


      I'm not an athiest. How can you not believe in something that doesn't exist? That's way too convoluted for me. - A. Whitney Brown

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:01:26 AM PDT

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      •  Claim?? (3+ / 0-)
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        It's true! I've died three times because of those blasted Obamacare death panels!! Just you wait - you'll die several times too!

        Grumble grumble grumble... Obamacare better get out of my yard. Dagnab it.

        "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

        by Diogenes2008 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 11:28:34 AM PDT

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