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  •  Conducting mass surveillance of the entire world (1+ / 0-)
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    is wrong. Conducting targeted surveillance of specific computers in a country that has a storied history of hacking both government and corporate IT infrastructure in the US might not be. I don't know what they were looking for on those machines, but neither did Snowden. He released classified information for his personal benefit ("to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China"). For all of the good he's done as a whistle blower, he screwed the pooch in this case and should be held to account for it.

    •  He released evidence of mass surveillance (11+ / 0-)

      domestically and internationally. You're focused on China because you would like to invalidate the whole conversation on that. Tough. They aren't equivalent. Not even close.

      Not let me hear you tear into the NSA and how you are going to go about exposing and stopping it.

      Security state zombies are everywhere. ☮ ♥ ☺
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      by Words In Action on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 11:02:45 AM PDT

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      •  I've never claimed (0+ / 0-)

        the China leak invalidates the conversation. I'm thankful Snowden has released most of the information about NSA surveillance that he has. As far as the value of the "whole conversation" is concerned, you are having an argument with the strawmen in your head.

        I, however, am not going to lionize an asshole who has revealed classified information to a foreign state for personal gain. You may choose to ignore it, but I don't. In the future, I'd greatly appreciate if you responded to the things I write, and not the beliefs you think I might hold.

    •  Congrats! You qualify! (10+ / 0-)

      Excellent fad meme usage has been detected in your comment:

      "If only Snowden hadn't done [x] I'd feel differently about [Y], therefore Snowden sucks."

      Great work.

      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 11:18:19 AM PDT

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      •  Congrats! (2+ / 0-)
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        You can't read! As I clearly stated in my comment (and I'm going to use small words for you DeadHead, I know you've had trouble with my comments in the past), I like some of the things Snowden has done, but showing IP addresses (let me know if that confuses you) of computers the NSA had hacked in China and Hong Kong for no other reason than to get the Chinese to like him (more or less what "ingratiate" means; that can be your vocabulary word for today!) was bad. I know that the comic book world you live in doesn't allow for people who can do lots of good things but still deserve punishment when they do bad things, but here, in the actual world, that happens all the time. DeadHead, I think you've learned a lot today!

        •  What brilliant commentary (5+ / 0-)

          of yours did I have trouble with again, genius?

          I will concede that it may very well be my memory that's at fault for not remembering whatever pearls of wisdom you've previously bestowed upon me. Comments like yours tend to come a dime-a-dozen these days, especially the variety that intersperse smug put-downs amongst whateverthefuck points they try to make.

          Now, as for the above comment, if you could please restate it with even smaller words, I'd appreciate it.

          Also, what's an IP address? Doesn't that stand for Israel-Palestine? I can't seem to figure out what that has to do with the internet.

          And I don't appreciate you calling me an ingratiate.


          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:23:13 PM PDT

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          •  You (0+ / 0-)

            didn't understand the comment to which you responded, "genius". Was I too subtle in making that point? Read my comments again, DeadHead (slowly!). Maybe on the second or third reading you'll understand them.

            p.s. That meme quip of yours was far too witty a retort to wait for an actually applicable comment. No worries, you have at least 4 people who applaud your non sequitur. How clever you all are!

      •  we gotta get a list going of those... (4+ / 0-)

        kinda like the bingo cards a couple years ago...

        "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

        by poligirl on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 02:03:54 PM PDT

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        •  Surely you couldn't have missed (3+ / 0-)
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          the list I've posted in a few comments, based on this diary I did awhile back.

          Or maybe you did. It's a big site, after all.

          It needs updating with the more recent memes. I should just make a damn database out of it. It would make it easier to maintain. ;)

          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 03:34:48 PM PDT

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