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  •  R Johnson is so full of himself and so juvenille (3+ / 0-)

    that he literally makes me sick.

    He's saying basically......"just give up on the dream a higher level of life and acheivement - let us, the 1% finish you off.  It won't hurt as much if you just don't fight it."


    Just awful.

    •  He doesn't "literally" make you sick. (0+ / 0-)

      And you went to college?

      Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

      by oblomov on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:03:43 PM PDT

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    •  And what's more, college graduates with no skills (0+ / 0-)

      are going to be "finished off" by the 1% a lot quicker (if you buy the assumption) than people who know how to do THINGS.

      I might even hazard that people who know how to do THINGS are much more likely to play a constructive role in re-ordering the economy and society (remember unions?) than unemployed college graduates.

      Did you notice that lately huge numbers of college graduates are taking jobs that don't require college?

      Do employers think they'll be more malleable because they need to pay off that student debt they were conned into taking on?  

      The market for STEM grads remains strong, tho, and little of this applies to those degrees.

      Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

      by oblomov on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:11:55 PM PDT

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      •  Sounds like you don't value the "examined life" (1+ / 0-)
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        much.  I don't buy your argument that we should give up fighting for a society that values a college degree ( and they should cost less) and that pays for things that aren't all materialistically based.  Art for instance, is valuable.  Is it constructive?  Why do I think you wouldn't think so.....?  No, people should not just roll over and become tradesmen to "play a constructive roll" in your words accepting a society divided between the elite and the worker bee.  Nope, don't buy your thinking at all.  

        •  "Play a constructive roll" is what college did 4u? (0+ / 0-)

          At least I, who probably went to more college, etc., than you, got it right.  You should have cut and pasted from my post.

          In all seriousness,  you didn't find me minimizing the value of art.  And you must be operating in some (temporary?) diminished capacity to assume, against all evidence, that a liberal arts curriculum has anything to do with one's artistic productivity.

          Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

          by oblomov on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 04:03:52 PM PDT

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        •  The "examined life" is a bit of a red herring (0+ / 0-)

          First, you don't need to spend 80 grand to live an "examined life."  You can do that without going to college, just like you can party for 4 years without going to college.  

          Second, you're committing a false dichotomy.  It's not like college students must choose between an "examined life" or career preparation.  You can always minor in philosophy, or double-major, and universities typically require you to take a slate of courses across a lot of areas including the arts and sciences regardless of major.

          Thirdly, a liberal arts education is supposed to include training in mathematics and the sciences, and you are expected to take more than what is required.  A liberal arts major is supposed to walk out of college with a resume full of career skills, rather than simply an "examined life."  

          College is not just supposed to be training in career skills; you're also supposed to get a mind-expanding education in pure academic subjects.  But to eschew the career part and only eat the academic bits is a nonsensical waste of your educational opportunity.  It would essentially leave you with the same wage and employment potential as a high school graduate, except that you now spent or borrowed 80 grand.

          Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

          by Caj on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 08:36:10 AM PDT

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