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  •  Well, you know, those (3+ / 0-)
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    corvo, exterris, Old Sailor

    darn egghead academic elitists! They are destroying the country by filling our kids with those Commie ideas! Everybody can agree to that, amirite?

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 04:48:02 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, that's much of the impetus (3+ / 0-)
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      behind the bipartisan strangulation of higher education.  If all the kids (except for the wealthy ones of course) take all of their general education courses at community colleges or online -- where curriculum is controlled by administrators and where faculty have no academic freedom -- then they won't be exposed to any suspect ideas.  

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 04:50:57 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, for sure; (4+ / 0-)

        my snark was only on the 50% power setting there. And I see commenters below fulfilling my original comment's statement.
        A larger point we on DKos should all be making is that these kinds of decisions should be left to the prospective student--who is anyone else to tell someone what they should or should not pursue as a life's work? Maybe someone goes to 4-year college, ends up not liking it and then goes to that hallowed vocational? Or someone works as a plumber for a few months/years and decides that what they really want to do is teach? Why should costs determine that every 16, 17, 18, etc-year-old kid has to decide at the point before they go to school what they will do for the rest of their lives? It's sad.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 04:57:44 PM PDT

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        •  Well, yes, within limits at least. (2+ / 0-)
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          I work in academe, and I see people try for decades to find a university that will give them a doctorate in a field in which they're manifestly unqualified.  Nobody would expect that the public should have to finance that.  Obviously these are extreme cases, but defining a happy medium will be difficult . . . assuming of course that our leadership ever shows any signs of wanting to restore some of the draconian education cuts it's made over the years.

          Also, for the record, I'm less than thrilled by the system used in several European countries, where a kid is judged worthy of college at the age of nine or ten, and put on an appropriate track thenceforth.  Although it's at least a bit more honest and criterion-based than the American system, which renders such decision based on ethnicity and parental income.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:04:10 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah, but those people trying (0+ / 0-)

            for decades aren't teens just starting their lives, and if they can afford it, who cares if they do want to waste their lives anyway? I don't think anyone at all is arguing that post-bachelors' schooling should be free .

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:09:33 PM PDT

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            •  Probably not. I for one, however, (3+ / 0-)
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              that some postsecondary education ought to be paid for 100% by the public.  I'm kind of a radical that way . . . especially because those European countries that have historically been proud of doing so, no longer do either.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:14:18 PM PDT

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              •  Your comment dropped something (2+ / 0-)
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                significant. Do you believe that some postsec ed ought to be paid by the public? Or something else?
                If the former, I agree wholeheartedly; college should be free, or at least only nominally paid for by the student. Who knows what advances our society has lost due to pure economic "elitism"? After that is another ballgame, imho.

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:19:19 PM PDT

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                •  Oh yes, "believe." Pardon the word elision; (2+ / 0-)
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                  I sometimes get careless when I type in a hurry.

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 05:20:57 PM PDT

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