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  •  Then I would suggest you correct the person (2+ / 0-)
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    I responded to:

    Science shows us that the number of guns sold in the USA correlates positively with the number of people shot: more guns sold, more people get shot.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 07:56:42 AM PDT

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    •  Statistical fact that cannot be corrected (1+ / 0-)
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      Laconic Lib

      As I stated in my original comment:

      "Science shows us that the number of guns sold in the USA correlates positively with the number of people shot: more guns sold, more people get shot."
      This is a fact.  You cannot correct this fact any more than you can correct the fact of the sun's rising in the east.  

      The correlation of increasing gun sales and increasing gun injuries is proven by the same mathematics that shows 2 + 2 = 4.  

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 08:23:41 AM PDT

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      •  And increasing population, at the same time. (2+ / 0-)
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        The rate is lower with homicides than it was, higher with suicides.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 08:36:39 AM PDT

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      •  Also interesting (in a depressing way) (2+ / 0-)
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        Is that the amount of money available today for studying the impact of firearms is a fraction of what it was in the mid-1990s, and the number of scientists working in the field has dwindled to just a handful as a result.

        The dearth of money can be traced in large measure to a clash between public health scientists and the N.R.A. in the mid-1990s. At the time, the C.D.C. were becoming increasingly assertive about the importance of studying gun-related injuries and deaths as a public health phenomenon, financing studies that found, for example, having a gun in the house, rather than conferring protection, significantly increased the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

        Alarmed, the N.R.A. and its allies on Capitol Hill fought back.  The pro-gun lawmakers sought to eliminate the injury center completely, but that didn't work, so they defunded it.

        The Senate later restored the money but designated it for research on traumatic brain injury. This language was also inserted: “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”  (That language is still in there.)

        Seems to me that if you're so sure your system is best (a gun in the hand of every man, woman and child in America--yeehaw) a few studies shouldn't scare you.

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          Happy Days, Faito

          Good point.  The gun industry has sought to prevent empiric investigation into the facts of gunshot injuries in the USA.  

          This was done in 1996, after an investigator at the CDC published a paper showing that the risk of death by homicide actually was greater for people living in a residence where there was a gun, compared to peopleing living in a residence where there was no gun.  The study showed empirically that having a gun did not provide protection, but actually increased the risk of harm.

          The gun industry found such results very threatening to their business.  The gun industry's response was to try and make sure no more stduies of the risk of gunshot injuries were carried out.

          "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

          by Hugh Jim Bissell on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 10:47:10 AM PDT

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