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  •  Need I remind you (3+ / 0-)

    That the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the alleged victim, and that the terms "prosecution" and "victim" do not refer to the same thing.  Moreover, the use of the term "victim" involves a presupposition of an answer to the question of victimhood, the answer to which is dependent upon the outcome of the trial itself.

    •  Half-right. The burden absolutely was on the (1+ / 0-)
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      prosecution.  I believe, however, that is absolutely fair to call Martin the victim.  He got killed.  It's reasonable to question why he got into a fight with Zimmerman instead of just taking off for his own safety.  Probably figured he could take the tubby little guy.

      But -- young men make that kind of mistake all of the time. I'ts almost part of being a young man and growing into an adult.  

      Casting Martin in the worst possible light, he got killed for being stupid and getting into a fight.  

      Sounds like a victim to me.

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      by dinotrac on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 08:37:20 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not denying that Martin was in fact the victim (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm talking about the language used to describe due process.  I'm not talking about the facts of this particular case and whatever conclusions are warranted in the particular.  I certainly personally believe that Martin was the victim.  

        The question at hand had to do with who bears the burden of proof at the outset.  In any fair trial, the question of victimhood cannot be resolved a priori -- until evidence is presented and judged -- and therefore cannot be presupposed.  

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