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  •  Funny (7+ / 0-)

    I live in the Bay Area here in EPA just 35 miles from Berkeley and nobody gets any grief from walking down the street, period. At whatever hour. We know how to tell suspicious from "suspicious" over here.

    Guess it's all who you know, huh?

    •  Not here, nor my neighborhood up north either. (3+ / 0-)
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      We don't have sidewalks in either location.

      Maybe it depends how affluent people are in your community? Where I live, they're older neighborhoods, with a blend of working class and middle class families. There is bus service nearby, schools too. So people have reason to walk through our neighborhood. They also are in the demographic where cars break down but you still need to go buy groceries and get to work.

      I really don't think much about seeing strangers walking down my street....

      Now, as you say,  if they were acting hinky, that's different.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:02:46 AM PDT

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      •  I Bought My House (5+ / 0-)

        Here in 1985.  We got sidewalks and a fully-paved road on my street last January.  It was indeed a red-letter day ;)

        We know what suspicious looks like here--based on behavior, not assumptions.  Most residents of working class neighborhoods of color do, perhaps because outside of our neighborhoods we have to live with being deemed "suspicious" all the time.

      •  it's a particular mindset (5+ / 0-)

        I don’t think it directly correlates to affluence because I’ve encountered weird attitudes in areas I wouldn’t consider particularly wealthy.

        Something I have encountered several times in the suburbs here is that people take the idea of their street, i.e.: the street they live on, very literally. Basically, if you do not belong to a family that owns property on their street you don’t belong on it. They accept the fact that other people are allowed to drive down their street, but they don’t like it. If you don’t live in the immediate vicinity they don’t want you walking on their street. The most grievous offense is for a stranger to park their car on the street in front of their house.  

        Who knows, maybe my perceptions are shaped by living in a homogeneous Midwestern subculture where many of the natives have a strong sense of insider vs. outsider.

        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

        by Joe Bob on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 12:10:52 PM PDT

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        •  I know people like this. (4+ / 0-)

          They live in rural areas, and their property is quite large. But yes, they own the whole damn street that abuts their property. They believe that everything from the road's centerline in is theirs. You can point out that there are plenty of private roads all around the (rural) area that the county doesn't maintain. Doesn't matter.

          They like the fact that their dogs bark loudly and aggressively at people who walk down their street.  Yes, the dogs have been allowed to think that their territory extends to the road too.

          We once had the audacity to park all day to visit relatives. We know the people across the street very well; figured it wouldn't be a problem (besides the obvious fact that they don't own the street). When we were leaving, he came outside and told us that we needed to call next time we planned to come by.

          So yeah, I totally get you.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:49:15 PM PDT

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    •  I haven't gotten any "grief" . . . (4+ / 0-)
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      but when I've walked in some suburban areas near New Orleans, where my family lives, I have gotten puzzled looks.  People seem to be wondering, "Why isn't that guy in a car?"  

      Maybe it's because I was wearing ordinary clothes and wasn't in running shorts and a tank top.  I was just walking to get from one place to another in an environment that wasn't built for walking, and where usually no one walks unless they have no other choice.

      But since I'm a clean, neatly dressed, middle-aged white guy, no one has ever called 911, and the police have never stopped me.  In fact, on one occasion, a couple in a car pulled over and offered me a ride.  I declined, thanked them, and explained that my destination was so close I could easily walk to it.  They stared at me blankly before they drove off.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:35:24 AM PDT

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