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  •  And if he never enters the country? (1+ / 0-)
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    If you know all that it should be easy to track such person and get him when he enters the country.
    If he's training and aiding others in planning to enter the US and engage in terrorist attacks, he doesn't ever have to reenter the country. If he is operating out of a country that is either incapable of or unwilling to arrest him and extradite him to the US, what should we do in that case?

    I can certainly see the argument for targeting Al-Awlaki himself; I don't necessarily agree with it 100%, but the argument makes sense to me, even if I do question the use of a drone strike that took the lives of others.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:40:12 AM PDT

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    •  Since when is it ok (3+ / 0-)

      to find someone guilty before they did something illegal ?

      We fucked up a whole country because W .assumed they WMD, at least that what he made most of the US believe.
      Now we 're killing people via remote control. What if the next president goes off the deep end and starts using drones to get rid of domestic terrorists?  Would you be still ok with that?

      El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. The people united will never be defeated

      by mint julep on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:56:14 AM PDT

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      •  See, here's the thing. (0+ / 0-)

        If, in 1942, an American had defected to Germany, signed on with the German army, and started training German spies to blend in on the streets of New York, Chicago, etc. and engage in espionage or sabotage, we wouldn't have had any compunctions at all about taking that American out, trial be damned, and I doubt that we'd hear much hue and cry about it. He joined the enemy's army and was helping them attack his own homeland; he would have no reason to think that his American citizenship would make the American armed forces just let him go about his business because we couldn't get people in there to arrest him.

        I'm reticent to adopt "war on terror" rhetoric here, but I don't think we can dispute the notion that those who would seek to engage in terrorist attacks against the US are the enemies of the US, if for no other reason than that they have declared themselves to be such and have openly declared their intent to engage in terrorist attacks against the US.

        My understanding of the situation is that the evidence suggesting that al-Awlaki (the elder) held a leadership role within such a terrorist organization was all but indisputable. In other words, he had put on the uniform of the enemies of the country, and helped them to attack the US.

        Why, after joining an armed force attacking Americans, should he expect his citizenship to protect his ability to continue to help those determined to attack the US? What would you have us do, if the legal authorities where he is are unable or unwilling to capture him alive and extradite him?

        Again, as I mentioned above, I can see the argument, even if I might not agree with it 100%, for taking out the elder al-Awlaki without a criminal trial. That doesn't mean I think the drone strike that killed innocent people was a good thing or even an appropriate way to do that, but it does mean that the argument for taking him out by some means, in the absence of a clear ability to capture and extradite him, makes sense to me.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 12:10:05 PM PDT

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        •  So, (2+ / 0-)
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          "If, in 1942, an American had defected to Germany, signed on with the German army, and started training German spies to blend in on the streets of New York, Chicago, etc. and engage in espionage or sabotage,  . . ." you'd think it just fine for our government to kill his son?   Say what?

          The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

          by Alice Olson on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 02:39:47 PM PDT

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        •  I can see (0+ / 0-)

          we have very different ways of thinking.I don't understand you. To me it's just wrong, but then I never, ever agreed with the way the US conducted their affairs in other countries. I remember a time when we meddled in South America and caused nothing but pain and destruction. I knew then that one day we will have to pay the price for it.
          This escalation of force is pure evil and I will never be able to find excuses for it. This whole war on terror is self inflicted and the sooner we put an end to it the better for this nation.
          I do respect your position I just don't understand it.

          El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. The people united will never be defeated

          by mint julep on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 08:45:13 PM PDT

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