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  •  Maybe the Italians will interrogate Lady on (6+ / 0-)

    the Nigercake documents as well.

    By the way, the break-in into the Niger embassy in Rome that produced the letterhead stationery that was used for the forgeries happened in early January of 2001, before Bush was inaugurated.  The conspiracy started before the Bush administration did.  Why would a CIA station chief jump the gun like that?

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:37:28 PM PDT

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    •  Personally, I speculate (1+ / 0-)
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      the breakin was a side effect of the PNAC 1998 desire for another war with Iraq.  Cheney (Sec. Defense Bush 1) and  the usual suspects were all onboard.

      Down on the ground the conditions for a breakin were ripe, perhaps fomented by Lady himself.  Perhaps there are grifters around all embassies, looking for info, or access.  Some con artist got paper and the erroneous, outdated Niger stamp. Maybe is was Antonio Nucera, maybe it was Rocco Martino, maybe someone else.

      By summer 2001 the forgeries had been fabricated and given to the U.S. CIA in Rome by the Italian military SISMI. The docs were "a gift from a lady in the embassy of Niger in Rome" according to Rocco Martino.

      "It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man." -- Thomas Paine

      by sailmaker on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 02:26:45 PM PDT

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      •  To understand the Lady story (4+ / 0-)
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        one really needs to look back to the history of the CIA in Italy following WWII.  Our CIA was very afraid of communism and socialism, particularly after 1948 communist coup in Czeckoslovakia.

        Italy has a party proportional parliamentary system. In 1948 he CIA bankrolled the "centrist" parties (read rightist conservative) and did their standard propaganda moves. Money and lies worked: the Christian Democrats won. Operation Gladio ensued. It was a covert NATO stay behind op for the CIA for the duration of the Cold War.  It was a set of secret anti communist armies through out Europe.  Belgium, SDRA8, Denmark Absalon, Germany TD BJD, and so on.

        The following is subject of speculation and borderline CT, however, in my opinion it is valid to bring it up here because both Switzerland and Belgium have parliamentary investigations on it: in Italy (1960-1980) the CIA is accused of bombings that the Italian police ascribed to anarchists. The Piazza Fontana bombing and several car bombings are examples, examples for which no one was ever successfully prosecuted.

        Aldo Moro( who tried to forge a center-left government )  implicated Gladio, the P2 masonic lodge and military men who attempted a coup in 1970. Moro was later kidnapped and killed by the Red Brigades.

        From an Amazon Book review:  

        The CIA has been accused of a massive intelligence failure in the run-up to the 9/11 attacks -- the result, it is said, of a moralistic and bureaucratic approach to information-gathering. But the CIA's spies had few qualms when it came to cultivating terrorist organisations and interfering in the internal politics of Cold War Italy. Puppetmasters reveals how US intelligence services exploited the P2 masonic lodge to prop up friendly Christian Democrat-dominated governments and counter the growing political influence of the Italian Communist Party. It was a ruthless strategy involving coup plots, right wing terrorist bombings and the manipulation of the Red Brigades. And it gave Italy one of the bloodiest and most protracted periods of terrorist violence ever seen in a modern, industrialised society.
         I recommend  reading Puppetmasters: The  Political use of Terrorism in Italy.

        After all the secret armies, the bombings, the deaths, the blackmailings etc., a little theft of documents in January 2000 seems, not only standard operating procedure, but easy to arrange.  

        "It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man." -- Thomas Paine

        by sailmaker on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 04:06:14 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, I hope they don't waterboard him (2+ / 0-)
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      into talking.  That would be too American.

      •  I think they are smart enough to know that (2+ / 0-)
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        waterboarding doesn't work to get the truth.  Most likely they will offer a few years off the sentence in exchange or something like that.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 03:41:34 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe. (2+ / 0-)
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          I suspect he's been trained to take the Mafia approach to these things: Keep your mouth shut and do the time like a good soldier while the mob lawyer works on it.

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