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  •  could be just a bunch of old (6+ / 0-)

    anti-Semitic blood libel tropes, indiscriminately and routinely applied to everyone they regard as "others."

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:14:10 PM PDT

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    •  Before modern birth control methods (18+ / 0-)

      were invented, infanticide was, sadly, a not terribly uncommon form of family planning. Since the FRC wants to go back to those days, I don't understand what they're complaining about.

      •  anti-Semitic blood libel? (2+ / 0-)
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        Gemina13, blueoasis

        "Jews kill Christian babies as part of their rituals" is probably the most infamous of these, making regular appearances in the official Vatican newspaper as recently as the turn of the (19th-to-20th) century.

        And as Sander Gilman has explained in several of his books, the oppressor class has this nasty tendency of projecting the same sets of behaviors onto feared/hated Others: Jews, blacks, and gays are all depicted as sexually rapacious and out for your children, for instance.  

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:23:59 PM PDT

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        •  well yes, I know that much, but (1+ / 0-)
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          belinda ridgewood

          (a) infanticide is killing your own kids, not other people's, and

          (b) that doesn't have anything to do with euthanasia, which isn't generally an anti-Semitic trope at all.

          And I don't think I've ever heard of any claim that Jews are sexually rapacious.

          •  re: your last point: (3+ / 0-)
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            blue aardvark, grollen, blueoasis

            Oh, dear, you missed out on several decades' worth of German anti-Semitic literature.

            If you read German (obviously these were never translated into English), do pick up the novels of one Artur Dinter.  They sold by the hundreds of thousands.  Fittingly, they were also printed on newspaper-quality stock, so finding a copy that won't crumble in your hands is a challenge.  But in each one is the nasty old Jew, out for your money and your daughter.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:46:52 PM PDT

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            •  Huh. I thought I was up on most of the slurs. (1+ / 0-)
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              blueoasis

              That one doesn't seem to have made the crossing to America, except insofar as "Jewish" and "gay" get conflated by one of our weirder strains of bigotry.

              •  Jewish and gay? (2+ / 0-)
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                Batya the Toon, gffish

                Exactly.  Big-city perversions.  And we all know what kinds of folks can be found in big cities, as opposed to the wholesome countryside.  Not for nothing that "cosmopolitan" and "Jewish" were frequently used as synonyms, and not just in the German-speaking world.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:57:15 PM PDT

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                •  Annie Hall: (0+ / 0-)

                  Don't you see the rest of the country looks upon New York like we're left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers? I think of us that way sometimes and I live here.

                  I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

                  by CFAmick on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 11:07:41 PM PDT

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          •  re: your other points: (2+ / 0-)
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            grollen, blueoasis

            Infanticide: Not necessarily one's own children.  Here's the OED:

            infanticide, n.2

            a. The killing of infants, esp. the custom of killing new-born infants, which prevailed in primitive societies, and was common in the ancient world.
            1656   T. Blount Glossographia,   Infanticide, a slaying or killing of Infants, child-murthering; such was that of Herod.
            [snip]
            1869   W. E. H. Lecky Hist. European Morals II. iv. 27   Infanticide..was..admitted among the Greeks, being sanctioned, and in some cases enjoined..by the ideal legislations of Plato and Aristotle, and by the actual legislations of Lycurgus and Solon.[snip]

            Note too that Herod was, of course, a Jew.  Your definition follows under section b.

            Euthanasia: Strictly speaking, no, although there's no shortage of treacherous murder and homicide in the literature.  But euthanasia is a modern invention anyway, so give it time. :-)

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 01:55:52 PM PDT

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            •  We should also be charitable (2+ / 0-)
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              Batya the Toon, blueoasis

              and not assume that the FRC is using its terms terribly precisely.  Maybe they mean euthanasia; maybe they mean snuff . . .

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 02:00:51 PM PDT

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            •  Good point in re: infanticide (1+ / 0-)
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              blueoasis

              I was thinking specifically of the practice of infanticide-by-exposure as family planning, as described above in the comments.  It is of course broader than that.

              I'm pretty sure euthanasia isn't a modern invention as such, though; "mercy killing" is a pretty old concept.

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