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  •  A strike is "drastic"? (6+ / 0-)

    Really?

    It clearly worked.

    That means it was correct.

    •  No, it doesn't. (2+ / 0-)
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      It means that it might have been correct.

      You can kill a fly with a cannon, but better to use a fly-swatter.
      If a discussion with the owner would have yielded the same result, that is the corredt approach.

      If not -- then whatever it takes.

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      by dinotrac on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 11:38:10 AM PDT

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      •  Do we know that those discussions (2+ / 0-)
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        didn't take place before the strike? When your employees are dropping like flies (to continue your analogy), clearly the problem wasn't addressed in a timely manner. Some things should be provided without question or discussion, like AC in a hot kitchen in 90+ degree temps.

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        by poe on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 12:03:40 PM PDT

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        •  We don't know that. It's why I asked the question. (1+ / 0-)
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          But a phone call is generally quicker than organizing a labor action and sitting out front.

          If the owner was not prepared to do the right thing in a timely manner, the workers were perfectly justified in walking out and refusing to work under dangerous conditions.

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          by dinotrac on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 12:08:03 PM PDT

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          •  When working conditions are such that people (4+ / 0-)

            are passing out on the job, then unless the job is putting out fires, workers are justified in walking out and refusing to work until the situation is remedied.

            Period.  End of discussion.  

            Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

            by JesseCW on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 01:00:14 PM PDT

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          •  So you just assume (1+ / 0-)
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            the workers are not competent enough to communicate with their boss ?

            Sorry but your assumption is rather pathetic and insulting  

            The workers care enough about their jobs to not just quit , they are bright enough to know they have the right to strike for human working conditions , so it is fair to assume they know how to talk to their boss

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            by Patango on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 01:00:32 PM PDT

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            •  Where do you get that? (0+ / 0-)

              You are awfully proud of your lousy logic.
              That's the kind of thinking that leads people to believe that aliens built the pyramids.  It's called argument from ignorance.

              There are more reasons than competence not to communicate with the boss.
              The boss might not make himself available.
              The employees might want to make a point and get some publicity that merely resolving the problem would not resolve.

              Beats me.

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              by dinotrac on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 04:13:10 PM PDT

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              •  dinotrac (0+ / 0-)
                The boss might not make himself available.
                Really ? So the place burns down and no one can get hold of the boss , and then there is the real world of adults
                The employees might want to make a point and get some publicity that merely resolving the problem would not resolve.

                Beats me.

                Beats you indeed , I pointed out your obvious anti worker comments , you should be offended

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                by Patango on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 01:48:27 PM PDT

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          •  You've just illustrated (5+ / 0-)

            the reason for unions.

            In a union shop/company, it probably wouldn't have gotten to the point of labor action; the local's Safety Committee would work with the employer to ensure safe working conditions were met. Saw that with Mr. Scribe's employer, where employees were forced to take early medical retirement due to back issues from bad seats for the bus drivers. The Safety Committee worked with the transit district to get the seats replaced, and I credit their work for keeping his back in good shape. In many cases, strikes are less about money issues than about working conditions and safety; that's the current issue in the BART labor negotiations.

            As for AC, if the temperature is above a certain level, a bus with non-working AC can be "downed" by the driver as inoperable, and a replacement coach can be requested. (Doesn't happen too much anymore, thanks to both newer buses and better maintenance schedules.)

            Incidentally, haven't any of those businesses considered that if it's too hot for employees, it's too hot for potential customers?

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            by Cali Scribe on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 01:12:06 PM PDT

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            •  It's something I was wondering -- (0+ / 0-)

              unless all the customers were drive-through, but the picture showed people sitting down and eating.

              Betcha the front and the back are on separate systems or circuits.  Or -- maybe some people like McDonalds enough to suffer for it.

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              by dinotrac on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 04:15:26 PM PDT

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              •  The people in the back are washing (0+ / 0-)

                dishes and working over hot grills and deep fat fryers.

                Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

                by JesseCW on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 11:56:43 PM PDT

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                •  Good point -- Inadequate AC could leave the (0+ / 0-)

                  place tolerable in front and not in back.  Given our weather over the last week, however, I don't think inoperative AC could have done it.  Chicago has been hot and it has been humid and, judging by the weather reports and phone calls to family, it's been nicer down in Texas than it has here.

                  Once we move down there, I'm sure that will change.

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                  by dinotrac on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 12:52:41 AM PDT

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                  •  I was stuck working in a cafeteria (0+ / 0-)

                    for a month in Santa Clara California when temps were hovering around 100.

                    I was in a windowless room washing dishes.  The pressure hose was going, and that didn't even have a cold handle.  Just hot water direct off the water heater.  Then the sanitizer was running, and that thing puts out a crazy amount of heat.

                    There was no AC, just big industrial fans.  The manager wouldn't let me have one, because we only had three and she wanted one for each door of the kitchen (a separate room).

                    I brought in a thermometer and it was 126 degrees in the room I was working in.  The humidity was obviously 100% (condensation coating the walls).

                    In the eating area it was about 100 degrees.  Same as outside, but of course out of the sun.

                    Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

                    by JesseCW on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 01:32:06 AM PDT

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                    •  Wow -- and customers still came? (0+ / 0-)

                      What's the humidity like in Santa Clara?

                      RE working in the back room, congratulations on survival.  126 is unbearable, but washing dishes? Had to be 126 and humid.

                      If there isn't a law against that, there damned well should be.

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                      by dinotrac on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 07:17:57 AM PDT

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                      •  It was a state facility. (0+ / 0-)

                        Come or don't eat.

                        I was going through about two gallons of water a shift, and I did not need bathroom breaks.  I got written up for "smelling sweaty".  

                        Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

                        by JesseCW on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 11:05:16 AM PDT

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