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  •  The disconnect has to do with experience... (5+ / 0-)

    The problem as I see it is that there is a contingent of progressives whose cumulative experience with guns is what they see in the media.  Heinous murders, self-defense whackos, idiots doing stupid things... gun nuts.  Then there is the contingent who actually have a significant experience with guns.  Even within the latter group there is disagreement, but at least we are talking the same language.

    It bothers some here that anyone would need multiple guns.  Well, I have several... all locked up in a safe.  Why?  Because three of us in the family hunt, and not just one type of hunting.  Am I worried about home invasions?  No.  Self defense?  No.  A tyrannical government? No.  I just want to go out and hunt... like the vast majority of gun owners that you never read or hear a thing about.  We hunt, target shoot, whatever.  We never kill anyone, we never do anything stupid with a gun, we don't join the NRA, we just mind our own business.  And it pisses us off when we are lumped into the same bunch that includes people who kill 13 year old kids for stealing stuff.  Yes, I understand that there is a subset of progressives who find some of the above activities abhorrent.  I respect that, but it does not change the discussion.  There are many gun owners who do nothing more than competitive target shooting.

    Gun safety laws?  Have at it.  It's not like these things haven't been addressed.  A person does not get a hunting license here without taking a course.  Criminal background checks, mental competence checks... fine.  Just understand that there isn't one monolithic RKBA contingent that is steeled against any reasonable measures.

    •  Agree. (9+ / 0-)

      I hunted growing up. Pheasant and rabbit, mostly, with my dad. When he quit hunting, I quit hunting.

      The folks who puzzle me are those who feel the need to always have a weapon on them (excluding, of course, those with a demonstrated need such as security, police or perhaps dealing with a stalker issue).

      They are the radical ones, in my experience. All of this macho bluster about "being ready if the SHTF!" (Shit Hits The Fan)

      Most of them are out-of-shape white guys who would be lucky if they could run 200 yards without being gassed. But they have their guns! At all times! And they typically fight every reasonable effort to make guns just a little more difficult to get in this country.

      Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

      by Bob Johnson on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 08:41:39 AM PDT

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      •  I don't disagree... (2+ / 0-)
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        But you must recognize that within the dKos community there are individuals who do not see these distinctions.  Gun=bad.  Gun owner=Nut job.

        •  Yes, true. (2+ / 0-)
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          I think the big change came when the gun makers (and their mouthpiece, the NRA) switched their emphasis from guns as sport (hunting, target practice) into guns for self-defense.

          That happened when hunting declined and gun makers were desperate for new markets in which to push their wares. The shift in advertising was dramatic. There was still advertising for hunting guns, but they really started pushing items like the semi-autos (handguns and weapons like the AR-15) as "self-defense" weapons.

          When I was a kid, a lot of other kids I knew hunted with their dads. I imagine a lot of that is gone now, especially as people moved from rural to urban environments over the last 50-60 years.

          We now know that the gun makers (and the NRA) don't give a rat's ass who gets a gun, as long as a gun is sold. That's why this country is flooded with handguns, and the concealed and open carry crowds fight any sort of sane restrictions on sales, tooth-and-nail.

          Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

          by Bob Johnson on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 09:03:31 AM PDT

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    •  For the most part (2+ / 0-)
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      I exclude rifles and shotguns from my argument.

      I think that if we dealt with handguns as a separate category we would make substantial inroads into the issue. So much so that the rest would become clear.

      I have no desire to see hunters deprived of their food, although "hunting for sport" is something I find distasteful.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 09:18:54 AM PDT

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      •  It's not a sport (0+ / 0-)

        until the deer are equally armed...

        Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

        by awesumtenor on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 01:25:26 PM PDT

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