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  •  I find it curious ... (6+ / 0-)

    It is reasonable to suppose that among our numbers here we have some of the most responsible gun owners in America. In part I think that is why they react so badly to many calls for restraint.

    However, few if any have ever really needed to use their weapons to save their lives, or the lives of others.

    Even in the rare instance where that does happen, we have no way of knowing whether or not the situation could have only been resolved with a gun. What is clear is that some of those situations could easily be resolved without a gun, especially if you don't have one.

    A gun-free society is a civilised society. A gun-culture society is one dominated by fear, and ever aggressive responses to that fear. That is made clear on a daily basis.

    What surprises me is that the gun owners buy into the fear that something might happen, even though it has never happened to them or anyone they know, yet they accept the far higher risk of the accidents that happen daily.

    We cannot help those people live free from fear until we start to remove, especially handguns, from society. We cannot do that until we know where they are, and who is supposed to have them.

    I would accept that people could have guns in the home, that is a matter for them and I would not support efforts to remove them. Outside the home is another matter entirely, because then it becomes a risk for me, my family and everyone else. Gun owners do not have the right to jeopardize my safety, and I have no good reason to implicitly trust them not to.

    I don't really care that they are scared to leave home without a gun. Stay home then.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 10:57:34 AM PDT

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    •  Yes. (3+ / 0-)
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      What surprises me is that the gun owners buy into the fear that something might happen, even though it has never happened to them or anyone they know, yet they accept the far higher risk of the accidents that happen daily.
      Our society in general is fear-driven and fear-manipulated.  Look at the threat to our liberties that en masse government surveillance creates versus the miniscule probability of "terrorists" ever hurting or killing any given individual.

      The judgement of fear vs actual danger is irrational and unsupported by facts, yet it is widespread and encouraged by our politicians and media outlets.

      I would accept that people could have guns in the home, that is a matter for them and I would not support efforts to remove them. Outside the home is another matter entirely, because then it becomes a risk for me, my family and everyone else. Gun owners do not have the right to jeopardize my safety, and I have no good reason to implicitly trust them not to.
      No one should be placed in the position of having to "trust" a gun owner not to be a fool and a bumbling idiot in public. Dropping a purse, fumbling with a wallet, reaching for something in a pocket, all are examples of instances where someone has discharged a gun, injuring themselves or others in public.  In many cases, people have been killed.  A man places a pistol on his truck seat, something happens and his child is dead.  A dog bumps a gun and the owner is dead. Could easily have been a bystander, every time.

      It is simply insane that those dangers should be permitted in public.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 11:10:00 AM PDT

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      •  And that is why (2+ / 0-)
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        the 2nd Amendment argument to preserve those "freedoms" fails every time.

        It is simply insane that those dangers should be permitted in public.
        Public safety is a well-established reason for the SCOTUS to uphold Federal or State laws.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        Who is twigg?

        by twigg on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 11:20:07 AM PDT

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