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  •  as it says in the article (15+ / 0-)

    the filibuster is supposed to be a tool for extending debate, not killing legislation or routine nominations entirely.

    the only reason it has functioned as a way to kill things entirely is that the majority has been unwilling to show backbone.

    If you think a GOP majority would not use such power, regardless, you haven't been paying attention.

    If we're not nice to them they'll be mean is exactly the sort of snivelingly ineffective approach that got us in these messes in the first place.

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    by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 07:54:30 AM PDT

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    •  Nothing wrong with a filibuster killing a bill. (1+ / 0-)
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      The problem is that these aren't real filibusters.

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      by dinotrac on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 09:36:30 AM PDT

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      •  There is indeed something very wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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        A cloture vote is a vote to end debate, and move to vote on the Bill.

        When the other side stops cloture, they should be saying that the chamber hasn't had enough discussion, and they should then use the time to discuss the Bill, and nothing else.

        The only genuine reason to prevent cloture is the suggestion that more debate is required .... so they should then stay there and debate.

        In the end, Democracy only works if the minority is restricted to amending and delaying. If the minority can stop the majority, then democracy died.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        Who is twigg?

        by twigg on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 10:20:26 AM PDT

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        •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

          Bills routinely stall in committee or die before making it to the floor.  Sometimes a bill just isn't worth occupying everybody's time.

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          by dinotrac on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 10:38:23 AM PDT

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          •  Well that's not the same thing at all. (1+ / 0-)
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            The majority has the Chair and a majority of members on committee. They can, if they decide, push out any Bill they want to.

            If they debate in committee and decide not to proceed, that is a completely different process .... Anyway, a Committee cannot frustrate the will of the main chamber, if that chamber insists.

            I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
            but I fear we will remain Democrats.

            Who is twigg?

            by twigg on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45:39 AM PDT

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