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  •  there was no evidence Zimmerman "initiated" (0+ / 0-)

    violence, so he still would've been acquitted.

    re neighborhood watch: Zimmerman wasn't part of a formal neighborhood watch, so it wouldn't apply.

    •  2 people know, 1 is dead, and the other is a (0+ / 0-)

      liar.

      give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

      by 88kathy on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 10:38:08 AM PDT

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    •  About Neighborhood Watch (0+ / 0-)

      Apparently, he was part of a Neighborhood Watch. The Sanford Police Department released a lot of documents--several binders' worth--of communications between the PD and the Neighborhood Watch. Some of them listed George Zimmerman by name.

      He wasn't supposed to be carrying a firearm while doing Neighborhood Watch, and he wasn't supposed to be patrolling, and he wasn't supposed to be confronting. Just observe, and call it in.

      What I don't know is how the Neighborhood Watch group, or the police department it works with, or the community association, is supposed to ensure that NW volunteers don't go over the line here.

      George Zimmerman considered himself Neighborhood Watch more or less 24/7, it appears, including the times he was going around armed with his permitted firearm.

      Then, when things got completely out of control, he immediately resorted to the NW identification because it made his actions seem more legitimate.

      Maybe the Neighborhood Watches should all adopt a simple uniform. You're not representing NW if you're not wearing it. If you are wearing it, then you must not be carrying a firearm or confronting "suspects"--just observe, call it in.

      Indeed, if Trayvon had seen a NW uniform, he might not have been frightened by this strange man coming after him.

    •  We know what his girlfriend heard (1+ / 0-)
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      And we know what he said to the 911 operator.

      To the 911 operator he said something like "Oh, shit, he's running."

      And the last thing Trayvon's girlfriend heard was Trayvon saying "get off, get off."

      If you don't think that indicates that Zimmerman initiated the contact, I don't get it. And I don't mean to say "I can say beyond a reasonable doubt, I know Zimmerman initiated the contact."

      But I do think the laws should be written this way -- it's the right thing to do.

      And you are wrong: Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch coordinator. The neighborhood watch may not have been part of a national organization of neighborhood watches, but they were working with the Sanford Police Department.

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      Barbara Lee speaks for me.

      by Oaklander on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 04:55:03 PM PDT

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