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  •  Yeah, I can't give money to Bloomberg. He's (0+ / 0-)

    an authoritarian S.O.B. I don't want vigilantes running around killing people with impunity, but I don't want cops doing it either.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Sat Jul 20, 2013 at 10:18:57 AM PDT

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    •  I do have to side with the cause, (0+ / 0-)

      not with the person behind it. I do support Mayor Bloomberg in his efforts to take on the N.R.A., even if I don't agree with him on everything.

      But I do wonder why I should give money to a billionaire, other than perhaps a token amount as a show of my support. Can't Bloomberg write all the checks he wants already? I think I prefer to give money to others, like Gabby Gifford's group.

      •  Giffords group (1+ / 0-)
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        won't be nearly as effective.  Besides, I admire Bloomberg for bringing/inviting regular people into his efforts.  It's too easy to say, "I'll let Bloomberg fight the NRA while I kick back and watch Honey Boo Boo..."

        •  Thanks for pushing in the right direction... (1+ / 0-)
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          I was already suggesting in my response to the prior comment that we should not subject Bloomberg to an ideological purity test before supporting his gun control efforts. I certainly do not, I see too much of that kind of attitude applied to too many people, including the President. That kind of attitude is a surrender that lets the other side win.

          For the record, I have donated to both Bloomberg's and Gifford's groups.  And I do admire Bloomberg for fighting fire with fire, as well as for inviting regular people to join. I do wonder how much of the money his group spends is Bloomberg's own money, vs. donations received.

          •  I read in The Atlantic (0+ / 0-)

            that Bloomberg believes making people happy means you're not doing your job. He's says that if he leaves office with high approval numbers "then I wasted my last years in office." To him, high approval rating "means you’re skiing the baby slope, for goodness’ sakes. Go to a steeper slope."

            •  Bloomberg is the most shamelessly authoritarian (0+ / 0-)

              public figure in US politics.

              If you agree with his disdain of popular opinion, then how do you expect to win popular elections?

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 01:16:43 PM PDT

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              •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

                with Bloomberg's disdain for NRA tactics, and politicians too cowardly or beholden to the gun lobby to act with any courage of decency in the area of gun control.

                •  The NRA has 5,000,000 members. (0+ / 0-)

                  MAIG has less than a thousand.

                  The NRA is primarily funded by small donors.
                  MAIG is primarily funded by Bloomberg.

                  The NRA's primary influence is through the volunteer efforts of their membership.
                  Bloomberg's influence is strictly his money.

                  You would be hard pressed to find two groups that have less in common. Their models are as dissimilar as can be.

                  What tactic of the NRA's are you suggesting Bloomberg is emulating?

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:45:56 PM PDT

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                  •  FrankR loves him some NRA Kool Aid! (1+ / 0-)
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                    The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

                    Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

                    The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

                    Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10% of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.

                    The NRA Foundation also collects hundreds of thousands of dollars from the industry, which it then gives to local-level organizations for training and equipment

                    Todaypurchases.'s NRA is a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry.  While the NRA portrays itself as protecting the 'freedom' of individual gun owners, it's actually working to protect the freedom of the gun industry to manufacture and sell virtually any weapon or accessory.

                    Again.  I get it.  You love your guns and how manly they make you feel and the freedom you imagine that they give you.  One day, we'll get rid of the conservative SCOTUS, we'll have real campaign finance reform, and lobby reform, 2A will be overturned, and that will be great day for America.  

                    Bloomberg.

                    •  Let us just look at their finances, shall we? (0+ / 0-)

                      Corporate Donations: $14,800,000 (2005-2010)
                      Membership dues: $100,500,000 (2010 alone)

                      That is 40 times more annually from memberships than from corporate donations.

                      Another $115,000,000 was collected through fundraising, sales, advertisements & royalties.

                      Of that $115,000,000 the majority ($71,100,000) was fundraising; small time donations, like the toaster featured in the Bloomberg article that both provided the information I am using and focuses on the small time donations that is the NRA's primary income.

                      "Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for every [Rugar] gun sold"
                      Damn near every gun shop has a 'round up' donation program for every type of gun sold.
                      This has raised $5,000,000, or five times your example.

                      "I get it"
                      Obviously, you don't.
                      Which is why your ignorant attacks on the liberties of innocent Americans has failed so spectacularly.....you will notice that it isn't gun rights supporters that have become the 1st & 2nd legislatures in the 137 year history of Colorado to be facing a recall election.

                      I get it. You distrust your fellow citizens & insist that they must give up their liberties for your perceived security.
                      However, we are already seeing some of the political consequences-both in Colorado & in SC- of such an ignorant & arrogant attitude.

                      There is more to come....
                      And you can own them all.

                      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                      by FrankRose on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 08:15:47 PM PDT

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                      •  Correction: The 'round-up' program hasn't raised (0+ / 0-)

                        $5,000,000...
                        It's raised $9,300,000 (as of July 2012).
                        Which is almost 9 times more than Rugar's donation.

                        Quick clarification: The round-up program is a voluntary donation given by the customer, rounding up to the nearest dollar amount.

                        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                        by FrankRose on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 10:14:27 PM PDT

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