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  •  The issue is whether a person who provoked (5+ / 0-)

    a fight and was armed had a right to shoot an unarmed man who was otherwise minding his business and had every reason to be scared and intimidated as the shooter claimed to be.  In this case, the burden should have fallen on the armed person to exercise better judgment.  That's why I think the Zimmerman ruling was a bad one.  Traditionally, in common law, a provoker can't claim self-defense without proving some special circumstances.  Self-defense also has to be proportional. You can't, generally speaking ,fatally shoot someone in response to getting punched, especially if you initiated the contact first.

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    by khyber900 on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 02:45:03 PM PDT

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    •  That is an issue of SYG type laws and defining (0+ / 0-)

      (plus proving) "provoked". Technically GZ had a right to be in the neighborhood and wasn't breaking the law by following him (even though he was lying to the dispatcher- uh just looking for the street name- uh).

      I believe GZ did grab TM first. Rachel's claim that she heard TM say "Get off, Get off" makes me believe that.

      Cryonaut is right about the lack of evidence though. TM's "Get Off" wasn't recorded on a 911 call. No other witness to the start of the altercation means some people disbelieve Rachel and are convinced that TM jumped out at GZ and attacked him. Seems completely unbelievable to me, but you know....

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