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  •  You think car doors aren't locked when ... (1+ / 0-)
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    young non-black males are passing by?  They are.  Ditto for clutching purses more protectively in elevators and the other examples given.  People have become cautious when they think ANY person nearby could constitute a threat.  

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

    by Neuroptimalian on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 05:33:55 PM PDT

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    •  Dumber than dirt and blind as a bat. n/t (12+ / 0-)

      "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

      by rubyr on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 05:42:35 PM PDT

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    •  You need to read (13+ / 0-)

      this diary.  Cuz that is one sad comment you've made there.

      Can you call yourself a real liberal if you aren't reading driftglass?

      by CJB on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 06:09:01 PM PDT

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    •  and also, I have noticed, people react to Black (18+ / 0-)

      men especially young ones with EVEN MORE caution.

      Watch it some time if you are around enough young Black men.

      I used to take clients...young people of both genders and varying races..into stores as part of a job.

      Black men are treated the worst. Sometimes even the first word said to them by a White salesperson in a higher end department store has a tense and derogatory tone. Not so with White boys.

      •  Some years ago didn't the Rev. Jackson say (2+ / 0-)
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        that he had second thoughts when approached by a group of young black males?

        When I am in an elevator by myself and a black or white male enters, I get a little creeped out. I'm a women. Theft isn't my primary concern.

        Most faces of crime on TV news are of young or hispanic youth. Many wearing hoodies  on CTV taken at site of crime.

        That's the image that's in most people's heads. Thus the reason for profiling.

        It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

        by auapplemac on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 08:10:40 PM PDT

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        •  yes. reason. And it must hurt them (1+ / 0-)
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          Young people are surprisingly impressionable. They do rise to the expectations parents and others around them have of them. If the expectation that they receive from society is that they are dangerous or a hoodlum, over and over again, I wonder how often that becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. I wonder how often society creates what it fears.

        •  I don't have that association with hoodies (0+ / 0-)

          I wonder if it is people who are not among teens very often..perhaps that is the majority of society...who think a hoodie=criminal.

          The association is backwards in my experience mostly in my area, which is urban and suburban. MOST teen boys wear hoodies.

          It therefore seems to me that teen boy criminals/criminal suspects wear hoodies because they are a subset of teens and wear what teens wear..not because it is part of a criminal "uniform". This is my experience. People who deduce that "criminals wear hoodies" seemingly are making an erroneous connection in the wrong direction.

           Does one really know enough teens to know what they tend to order to differentiate it as "thug" attire?

          We had this discussion when the killing was first reported. Some were ADAMANT that hoodie=hoodlum. Maybe MOST teens in your area do not wear hoodies, but they do where I live and where I"ve visited and have for decades and it is completely benign.

          It is our job as adults to check our assumptions with reality. If you are "a little creeped out" whenever a teen boy enters an elevator with you, I feel very sorry. I am a woman-disabled in fact, with a cane- who does not feel that way. I hope you will at lest acknowledge to yourself that  that MANY people are more wary when a Black teen is with them in an elevator than a White teen, even if it is true that you really react the same way to all young men. And also, maybe you can scrutinize your outward behavior-which at the "a little creeped out" very well be obvious, and if you think it is work on not sending the vibe out to the next generation that they are something to be feared.

          I have instances (I live in a mostly working class but mixed income, mixed race urban neighborhood) where I start getting wary. And I check myself against statistical realities and work on not projecting my worry on other people because it isn't fair. And if not indicated, I talk myself down from the feeling. My judgement, in the decades I've lived in neighborhoods like this, has been sound. I have not had ONE single incidence that my trust was misplaced. So clearly I don' t err too far the other way, either. There is a "be vigilant just in case but be open to people" that is a sweet middle ground.

          I have suburban friends who will lock their doors and roll up windows when they drive through the higher-crime mostly African American neighborhood in my Northeast city. It is actually stupid. We do not have carjackings here, nor do we tend to have random shootings--people shooters know are most often the targets. And if a stray bullet were to pass in through my car window, it seems unlike car glass would be much of a protection. The likely hood of something happening is infinitesimally small. So I continue unafraid with my windows down and get to interact pleasantly with people at the stop lights instead of stupidly being holed up in my sealed car on a nice spring day. My life is much more enjoyable and connected to my city and its citizens this way, and it spreads a good vibe.

    •  It might happen sometimes, but for young black (10+ / 0-)

      males it happens far more often, to the point where almost any of them has experienced it time and again. That's the point.

    •  When Has It Been Done Just Because They're White? (5+ / 0-)

      That's the point, it happens all over America because White People assume Black People are more violent than White People...

    •  I don't know why you (2+ / 0-)
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      are so invested in this fantasy, but it is fast approaching offensive. Such arrogance! You deny the reality and experiences of black people in this country based, it seems, on nothing more than you want it to be false. My SO is half black and half thai. He's a server. Has lots of experience with racists. Example: He ran out of the restaurant one night to return a credit card to a couple who had left it behind. He was yelling, "sir, your credit card!" wearing a white dress shirt, tie, and black slacks. He had been their server. They were half a block away by that point. They RAN away from him in fear. It was an asian woman and a white guy. The woman yelled at the guy when my SO caught up to them, saying "I told you!". I guess she at least figured out who my SO was, but the guy lost his shit at seeing a black guy chasing them and dragged her with him as he ran away!

      There are BILLIONS of individual experiences that black people have, just like this, that justify their views. Not to mention a whole lot of research by lots of really smart people. And what do you got? Some insane impulse to deny that this sort of racism is pervasive or even exists.

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