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  •  Clearly the NSA is going to find it difficult... (11+ / 0-) recruit the real smart students.  And it is also clear that internally their marching orders have little to do with protecting us from terrorist threats. They are mutating into an all powerful bureaucratic meta-organism at the service of who knows who.

    The recruiter says "our business is apolitical".  Yes apolitical but a "business" with "customers."

    And the NSA "took down fact sheets" after the Snowden revelations.  That is new to me.

    Love the chutzpah of the interviewees.

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    by Shockwave on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 03:58:19 PM PDT

    •  I dunno, Shockwave, I'm not so sure they'll... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...find it difficult to "recruit the real smart students."  The question is:  which real smart students?

      Think about it - it's disheartening.  What they'll get is a purer and purer authoritarian and/or Republican bunch of recruits.  Remember the domestic lessons of Viet Nam:  the Dems did their duty as they saw it (at least for the first few years) and enlisted.  The Republicans dodged the draft and went into government service (Cheney, etc.).  They established a virtually insurmountable political advantage in doing that.  We should strive to avoid the same thing happening again.

      So looked at in the future tense, it's not real encouraging to lose those smart Dems anywhere in government.  Fill the ranks with those Viet Nam-era 'conservative' kinds again, and our troubles today will look pretty minor in twenty years.

      And I don't believe that politics is a major determinant of intelligence.  Or vice versa.  I think it weakens us to believe that:  it sets us up for the sucker punch.  Darth Cheney is not a stupid man.  Nor were the bulk of the Bush43 court.

      It ain't called paranoia - when they're really out to get you. 6 points.

      by Jaime Frontero on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 06:07:46 PM PDT

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      •  Good point. (2+ / 0-)
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        They may not even need the real smart ones to do what they do.

        10 years from now, if things don't change, they may have a preponderance of sociopaths and authoritarians and we may be on the way to a true cyber-totalitarian system aided by Moore's Law.  Big brother on steroids.  A Shockwave Rider world.

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        by Shockwave on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 06:24:52 PM PDT

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      •  Hmmm.... (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm with ya on that last part; people called GOPers all sorts of names, like "stupid" and "crazy" and so on, but I prefer to address them by one adjective: "dangerous".

        As far as getting good libs into orgs like the NSA, there's a couple of snags there, like the cognitive dissonance that comes from being in the employ of an agency that, for better or worse, a lot of these young folks are ideologically opposed to. On top of that, it seems pretty clear to me that the NSA and agencies like it want their workers to march in lockstep most of the time, and the ones that don't likely either get tamped down or thrown out. How do you work with circumstances like these to get the kind of people that should be running the NSA into the NSA?

    •  But east to recruit sociopaths.... (2+ / 0-)
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      it's almost mandatory...

      I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

      by bobdevo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 07:52:39 PM PDT

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