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  •  Forget the torture for a minute. (4.00)
    Even if there were no torture.  

    Has this country decided that it's OK to lock people up indefinitely without knowing WHETHER THEY ARE REALLY GUILTY OF ANYTHING other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

    The right really have sold their souls to the devil.  

    •  Those people don't look like Republicans (4.00)
      That girl in Aruba does. That's why white people weep for her but not the 10's of thousands dead in Iraq.

      Why don't you call them on their bullshit on the air? You're an anchor for fuck sake! - John Stewart

      by The past is over on Thu Jun 16, 2005 at 05:33:59 PM PDT

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    •  How Hitler became a dictator (4.00)
      Lots of people use the facist label but few have really taken the time to get to know how Hitler rose to power. You should take the five minutes to read this:

      http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp

      If you do a google search on "Hitler religion", you will find tons of links on "Hitler announces his war on the godless" and how he used religion as one of his main themes in manipulating the German people against the atheistic communists.

      That first link is the "cliff notes" version of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." It is truly alarming when you compare it to the events of the day... from the USAPATRIOT Act to Sensenbrenners bill to repeal the 22nd amendment.

      •  Broken Record (none)
        I really am starting to sound like a broken record, but I'm a stickler for facts.

        Clarification:
        This is not some Rovian tactic. Sensebrenner is only one of four people currently working to introduce the bill, and Sensenbrenner is the only Republican on the list. One of them is Hoyer, House Minority Whip.

        That's all. :)

        "Fifty percent of people won't vote, and fifty percent don't read newspapers. I hope it's the same fifty percent." - Gore Vidal

        by spasticbean on Thu Jun 16, 2005 at 07:01:55 PM PDT

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    •  Better safe than sorry (none)
      that seems to be their argument.  Guantanamo is not making us safe, why can't they understand this?  Is it sheer craziness or knee-jerk partisanship?

      I can tell we must have forgotten our own history.  Our Constitution was specifically made "innocent until proven guilty," not the opposite.

      What color are your pajamas?

      by Unstable Isotope on Thu Jun 16, 2005 at 06:19:14 PM PDT

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      •  the constitution ain't for foreigners (none)
        There are also a lot of people being held indefinitely because they entered the US with bad visas or visa disputes.  They are not technically "in" the US, but there is one of these prisons in NY that is legally not in the country.
        Since there isn't any way to resolve the cases, and the non-citizens aren't charged with anything, they wait there.  Conditions are said to be much worse than official US prisons.
        source: Village Voice article several years ago.

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