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  •  Unfortunately (none)
    I think you're right.  I think this administration wouldn't hesitate to gas, shoot or whatever, us.  

    We're going to have to be as brave as those soldiers Bush sent to be murdered in Iraq.

    •  First side to employ violence doesn't always win (4.00)
      If we are shot or disappeared, many times our own number will abandon this government. Sometimes ideas change the world on their own, sometimes they need a broadly publicized massacre.

      There a sentiment that's so ingrained in this country's history, that I am confident even the most deluded wingers in my family would share it: I know my government does not shoot my sister or cousin, does not imprison my teachers. Any gang that does this cannot possibly qualify as my government.

      In 1770 (from Archiving Early America):

      When Paul Revere first began selling his color prints of "The Bloody Massacre perpetrated in King Street" in Boston, he was doing what any like-minded patriot with his talents in 1770 would have
      done. Only, Paul Revere did it faster and more expeditiously than anyone else, including two other artist-engravers who also issued prints of the Massacre that year.

      Twenty-one days before-- on the night of March 5, 1770-- five men had been shot to death in Boston town by British soldiers. Precipitating the event known as the Boston Massacre was a mob of men and boys taunting a sentry standing guard at the city's customs house. When other British soldiers came to the sentry's support, a free-for-all ensued and shots were fired into the crowd.

      Four died on the spot and a fifth died after four days. Six others were wounded.

      The presence of British troops in Boston had long been a sore point among Boston's radical politicians. Paul Revere wasted no time in capitalizing on the Massacre to highlight British tyranny and stir up anti-British sentiment among his fellow colonists. As you will see, Revere's historic engraving is long on political propaganda and short on accuracy or aesthetics.

      In 1970, Americans discover "We're finally on our own" (from Faulking Truth):

      It was thirty-five years ago today that the National Guard opened fire on students at Kent State University, killing four students....not protestors, but students who were over 250 feet away from the group that was protesting the war in Vietnam. I was 14 years old at the time, and after years of hope that things would "get better", and that our youth would be the catalyst for changing our world in a positive way, Robert Kennedy's and the Rev. Martin Luther King's assassination, the violent fiasco of the 1968 Democratic Convention, the tragedy of Vietnam, and finally.......Kent State, I, like many young Americans, felt disillusioned and betrayed. They were killing US! Not some unseen enemy in the far off jungles of Vietnam, not our young soldiers in uniform, but our college students, killed by our own military. It was unthinkable.

          I hung a makeshift homemade poster on my bedroom door, centered by the now-famous picture of Mary Vecchio crying in grief-stricken agony over the body of Jeffrey Miller, who lay dying in a pool of his own blood, which flowed like a crimson red stream across the parking lot in which he laid. Around the perimeter, I pasted pictures of the four students who were killed that day, Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder, and Sandy Scheuer, and wrote their names and the Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young line "Four Dead in Ohio" in bold letters across the page. I also painted a poster of the silhouette of a dead body lying on the ground, with a target painted over it and the words "They Shoot Students, Don't They?" written across that. It was a fitting epitaph to the also handpainted massive poster that hung on my bedroom wall that read simply, "What if They Gave a War and Nobody Came?"

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:34:57 AM PDT

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      •  Think about it (none)
        This President and his gang haven't hesitated to KNOWLINGLY, send in our sons and daughters to the slaughter.  In fact, they have so little in the way of morality, that they were willing to lie to us in order to gain our confidence.  They manipulated us, using the fear produced by 9/11.

        Do you really think our government wouldn't hesitate to turn it's guns on us?  Have you ever heard of Kent State?  I've seen these things but we have managed to triumph in the past.  We aren't up against Richard Nixon.  The neocon base has entrenched itself into American mainstream thinking thanks to the media which excuses and enables them.

        Yes, I agree MY government doesn't commit these atrocities, but George Bush's government is something else.  

        They lied and that breaks any bonds of trust.  They continue to lie, even when caught.  They have no morality.  From now on, it's their own fault if they are disbelieved before they are to be believed.

        At time Bush told these lies, it was clear to many of us that that's just what they were - lies.  If they were clear to us, they certainly were clear to the Democrats and the Republicans who still went ahead and voted for the war.  Democracy has enemies in high places.

        •  Chimpy (none)
          When I submitted the post above, in response to your post, I had read your post twice.  You said that your government wouldn't shoot your us.  I wasn't sure if you meant this to mean your government as opposed to Bush's government.  I didn't mean to offend you by sounding like I'm lecturing you about Kent State.  I honestly, wasn't sure what you mean.  I should have asked you to clarify before I shot from the hip.

          Sorry, I'm a little emotional right now and didn't mean to offend.

          •  What we know now would then be common knowledge (none)
            What I mean to say (and as a native English speaker, I must admit I have no good excuse for such a tenuous grasp on the language), is this:

            Most of us understand that the Bush gang are not doing the people's will. They never meant to do good, but they fooled enough of our friends, family, neighbors and co-workers long enough to take and use power.

            If they do take the next step, open warfare on the people, they will have used up that benefit of the doubt. Until then, our Republican uncle, or religious co-worker will not have seen their own family and friends victimized. Until then, none of this is real to them. The necons can get away with murder, as long as the victims are anonymous to 51% of the voters.

            Another Kent State, and it's over.

            Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

            by chimpy on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:36:03 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, and no offense taken (none)
            With Tom DeLay, Bill Frist, James Dobson, and George W Bush shooting their mouths off, being mis-understood here comes in pretty low on the offense-o-meter.

            And please, don't stop being emotional on my account. For every John Adams, we need a cousin like Samuel. For every John Hancock, we need a neighbor like Paul Revere. Some of the best causes ever still need a little outrage to put them into action.

            Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

            by chimpy on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:44:51 PM PDT

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    •  so? (none)
      everyone dies.. you can't avoid it, but you can pick the time and place of it, and what better time or place and for what better reason to lay down your life then to save your nation!  What better example can we leave to our children of what it means to be a patriot, to be an American.

      If this is truly the home of the free and land of the brave it is about time we start acting like it...

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