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  •  i think it would be nice if the 'meanie critics' (3+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, ord avg guy, arabian

    would open their minds to the possibility that they are not the only ones who have been taking a hard look at the impact of this president's decisions from day one.  that it's possible to have been taking that look and coming to the opinion that i have come to.  because, it is in fact due to having taken a hard long look at his decisions(actions) that have brought to my opinion.  and it is the constant looking that keeps with there.  i look at the president from 30,000 feet (as do you and many other meanie critics), but i see something different than you do.  and i have come to realize that maybe it's not all that smart to argue with what you see just because i see something different.  i listen.  it goes into the mix in my mind.  maybe what i say does the same to you.  when it comes to each of us doing our miniscule share of self government in this democracy, maybe that's the best way to do things.  let people talk and listen and think.  

    •  So if I understand you correctly (3+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice, AntonBursch, allenjo

      You HAVE taken that long hard look, and you've decided the good outweighs the bad.

      And that's fine.

      I was there myself for for a long time. After awhile, the trend became impossible to ignore.

      He's still got a few years left in his presidency, and a lot can happen in that amount of time.

      For better or for worse.

      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 04:14:31 PM PDT

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      •  well, i think my expectations might be different (0+ / 0-)

        i don't think that a president can do all that much to change things.  i think that mostly, the ship is moving where it moves and the president's job is to try to keep it from crashing.  maybe if they happen to be in the right time with the wind at their back, they can lead change.  like Obama taking steps toward securing gay rights.  or Reagan and legitimizing indirect racism.  

        a president tries to chart a path, but at best, they might get to steer in a direction and hope that the next presidents either keep steering that way or keep moving forward.  

        take the war in Iraq.  if the country hadn't already been ready to get the fuck out of there, Obama would not have been able to leave.  

        same goes for a lot of other issues.  

        the one thing he did that flew in the face of the will of the people of this country is health care.  he defied both the left and the right.  he's still paying for it.  he might not have won in 2012 if a real GOP candidate had run (and hadn't passed a similar law).  he kind of lucked out with Romney (and the rest of the GOP bench warmers).

        •  I've seen a good amount of "wanting it both ways" (2+ / 0-)
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          allenjo, AntonBursch

          When it comes to the degree of influence the president has over issues.

          When something doesn't go well, people bust out the old "what did you expect him to do, wave his 'magic wand' and make it all happen by himself?"

          Yet when something goes right, it was apparently a "magic wand" that somehow made him singularly responsible for that success.

          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 05:51:07 PM PDT

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