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  •  He probably would (4+ / 0-)

    I was simply pointing out that just with "The Foundry" alone on lockdown, he'd be able to win automatically even without any other swing states.  Ohio was one of the tightest races for Obama, everybody was freaking out all through 2012.  But Sherrod Brown would make Ohio and the rest of the Rust Belt an automatic take.  It would deny the Republicans their most vulnerable point of attack.

    Sherrod Brown 2016

    by Stormin on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 05:49:49 PM PDT

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    •  Stormin - in a contested Dem '16 primary (5+ / 0-)

      it will likely take $500 million to win the Democratic nomination. Can Brown raise that kind of campaign cash?

      Does Brown want to run for POTUS?

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:09:22 PM PDT

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      •  Money is indeed the problem if you're honest (5+ / 0-)

        Clinton is going to be a fundraising juggernaut, as will Cuomo.  I think Brown can win the nomination (which will be the subject of my next diary), but it will require two moves:

        1. He needs to announce before anyone else.  He needs to be the first to go on television and say he's going to run, so that the next two weeks of news coverage are full of people talking about him.  With a low profile and running against major national figures, the only way he's going to get people to know he exists is to make himself into a national story.  Pick an off-week after the '14 midterms when nothing else is going on, and drop a bombshell.  The talking heads will be trampling each other in a rush to inform the public as to who the hell this guy is, which is what he really needs.

        2. He needs to reach out to the industries that would benefit the most from New Deal policies and from bringing industries back to the US.  This was the subject of my last diary, which you can read here!

        Sherrod Brown 2016

        by Stormin on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:15:00 PM PDT

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        •  Stormin - I just read your prior diary (4+ / 0-)

          One note of caution.You write about the kind of corporations who would benefit from a Brown Presidency and how they could be big sources of campaign funds. Please be careful how you talk about corporations as they are strictly prohibited from contributing even $1 to any candidate for federal office. Employees of corporations directly, or through PACs can donate, but corporations can't. The corporations can make independent expenditures, but they can't coordinate with candidates. In 2012 we saw very few corporations make independent expenditures, but there were many very wealthy private individuals who were very active in the 2012 presidential campaign, funding independent expenditures.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:24:11 PM PDT

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        •  Yikes, New Deal. (0+ / 0-)

          We'd need nearly 70 votes in the senate for that. New Deal policies would be shocking to every age group younger than boomers, the last generation to live under them at ages old enough to understand them to some extent, and therefore the last generation to see the people advancing.

          Everyone younger than boomers has grown up with the people stalled and then in decline, with the maintstream public square blaming liberal policies for bringing on the bust.

          I'd think he'd have to message much more modestly; left of Clinton and Obama but short of the New Deal.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:28:29 PM PDT

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          •  I hear you Gooserock (1+ / 0-)
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            It's scary to think how distant the principles that saved this country have become.  But though this generation hasn't lived under the auspices of the New Deal, every kid who goes through public school knows the New Deal saved us during the Great Depression, regardless of Republican attempts to rewrite history.

            People want solutions.  They want somebody who will actually kick some ass.  The principles of the New Deal we'd be advocating wouldn't be "We need some huge pension program for every elderly person in the US, let's call it Social Security," it would be "We need to bring industries back, and get people off the welfare rolls and onto a construction site."

            People respond positively to proactive and optimistic decisionmakers.  

            Sherrod Brown 2016

            by Stormin on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:34:29 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe we don't need 70 votes. (0+ / 0-)

            Just a different president.  

          •  It's time to go big (1+ / 0-)
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            We have big problems in this country that need big solutions.  

            As for the "shock" of the New Deal, many of the New Deal programs are supported by a majority of mainstream America.  

            It's politicians like Obama and Clinton who don't get that message.  

            Brown/Warren 2016

        •  I doubt you'll seem Hillary and Cuomo (0+ / 0-)

          Running at the same time. If one passes, the other seems likely to jump in. I can't see Brown competing with either of them for $ and endorsements, though.

      •  Obama did. (2+ / 0-)
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        He proved that Hillary is vulnerable, even to a relatively unknown candidate with a funny name, who just so happens to also be (whisper) black.

        Remember Bill Clinton saying about candidate Obama, "This is all just a big fantasy!"  Because, of course, Obama couldn't REALLY win, because... well, you know why...  What, does he have to spell it out for you?

    •  I'd love to see Brown run (9+ / 0-)

      ... and agree that a real economic populist, one willing to walk the walk and not just talk the talk, is our best bet in 2016.  Whether a populist could beat Clinton or the other favored corporatist is another question.  The only chance is for the labor unions to act in unison to back up a populist, and for grassroots Dems to support him or her strongly.  

      We saw from Occupy Wall Street that issues of economic injustice are deeply potent in our politics, and we saw from the hasty retreat from those issues how uncomfortable most of our corporatist politicians are from them.  A successful populist candidate would have to embrace the cause of the 99% enthusiastically.  A talented populist candidate with bona fides would be almost unbeatable, I think. The country is hungry for such a candidate.  The record will have to be there, though -- the current president has shown the futility of rhetoric unsupported by a track record to demonstrate sincerity.

      We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

      by Dallasdoc on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:45:43 PM PDT

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      •  Hear hear! (4+ / 0-)
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        This is why Brown is the best populist choice -- he has the track record to prove he stands by what he says.

        Sherrod Brown 2016

        by Stormin on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:48:31 PM PDT

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        •  Just read your last diary too (6+ / 0-)

          Interesting take on building industrial business alliances.  I think the key to winning, though, is changing the terms of debate.  Selling yourself to business interests undermines the populist message, and it has to be done carefully.

          The issue is the key to success, I believe.  The wide desperation of people just hanging onto a middle class lifestyle, those who have lost their grip, and those fearing they'll never have the chance to join the middle class is political dynamite.  The first candidate who credibly and knowledgeably talks about rebuilding the middle class -- and reducing the power of wealth -- will light the fuse for a political explosion.  

          We saw in 2012 that unlimited billionaire money could not buy an election when one candidate took an economic populist theme -- even as tepidly and implausibly as Obama did.  I keep remembering how the legacy of the New Deal put the House of Representatives in Democratic hands for four uninterrupted decades after Roosevelt and the brief counterreformation.  That's the kind of majority that can be built by economic populism, sincerely pursued and bravely fought for.  It's the way to make the Democratic party powerful and worth supporting again.

          We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

          by Dallasdoc on Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 06:55:22 PM PDT

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