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  •  I read polls at the time, (1+ / 0-)
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    waterstreet2013

    not about a two-state peace settlement in general, but about Barak's offer in particular. It's possible that I'm mis-remembering, but I doubt it. They made a big impression on me at the time: if the most the Israelis could offer was less than the Palestinians could accept, it was hard for me to see any way forward.

    As for the Dec. 2000 proposal, that only rings a distant bell, and I'm not particularly interested in blamestorming. Plenty of that to go around.

    "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

    by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 11:09:31 AM PDT

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    •  Not blame-mongering but understanding, (1+ / 0-)
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      lest we be condemned to repeating history.

      For a (relatively) brief refresher, I suggest reading The Myth of the "Myth of the Generous Offer".

      Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

      by another American on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 11:30:11 AM PDT

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      •  That's a strong diary, and (1+ / 0-)
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        pretty much makes the point I was trying to make. If two parties are in disagreement, and the best offer from one side is not acceptable to the other side, there will be no agreement.

        And the comment go to what I meant about 'blamestorming.' People on all sides of the issue very much want to assert what is really happening, and who is really at fault, as if that's a) possible or b) helpful.

        Taking facts to an emotion-fight.

        "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

        by GussieFN on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 12:11:48 PM PDT

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    •  Discussion of this in "The Gatekeepers" (2+ / 0-)
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      interviews with the heads of Shin Bet does not reach any assertion that the Israeli public was unwilling overall to go with Rabin's deal.

      What happened was that the no-military-service religious fanatics campaigned relentlessly to have Rabin killed. They gave public speeches where their leaders called for his assassination.

      Shin Bet failed.

      It was not the general public who made the mess. It was the fanatics. The moral midgets who continue to inflame the situation.

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