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  •  Does it take pointing? (0+ / 0-)

    Frankly, being stalked by an armed guy could create a reasonable fear in a young black man. Certainly, remember also that there is no evidence of deadly force being used by TM at all

    Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

    by Mindful Nature on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 05:45:29 PM PDT

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    •  Two points (3+ / 0-)
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      for it to be an assault, there has to be an intentional threat of violence. If a person has a concealed carry permit, and follows another person without taking out the gun, there's no intentional threat of violence.  The person he is following would not see the gun and cannot have taken the concealed gun as a threat.  

      As for this:

      Certainly, remember also that there is no evidence of deadly force being used by TM at all
      There is evidence.  Dr. DiMaio testified that, had the beating on Zimmerman's head continued, it could have resulted in death or great bodily harm.  He testified that blows to a head are cumulative, so if you get one blow that "stuns" you, that's not serious, but if you get a number of those over a short period of time, that can result in death or great bodily harm.

      Remember, you don't have to already have suffered serious injury to claim self-defense.  You have to have a reasonable belief that deadly force is necessary to PREVENT death or great bodily harm.  

      •  which is to say (1+ / 0-)
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        that whether it is assault or not only goes to whether one is acting lawfully (which is why a first punch negates self defense), not to whether one has a reasonable belief.  In the case of TM, he doesn't need to have GZ try to shoot him to have a reasonable belief that he is in sufficient danger to prevent harm.  

        Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

        by Mindful Nature on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 07:41:52 PM PDT

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    •  Martin had no knowledge that GZ was armed (0+ / 0-)

      when he was being followed.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Jul 22, 2013 at 08:59:38 PM PDT

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