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    Girl Scout troops are going with using existing facilities for camping?

    When I was a Scout (back in the Dark Ages) our local council encouraged the use of local state and county parks for camping excursions, rather than going far afield to one of the Scout-owned facilities. Less of a hassle for transporting all the girls and gear, for one thing, and also closer to home if there is an emergency for one of the girls.

    If you're lucky enough to be in an area where there are adequate national, state or county parks that allow camping, it might make more financial sense to do the camping there rather than have to maintain (and insure) your own facilities. Or maybe it makes more sense to sell the camps then lease them back, leaving someone else responsible for the management and upkeep.


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    by Cali Scribe on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 12:09:13 PM PDT

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    •  The girl scout camps (1+ / 0-)
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      are more than just places to pitch a tent with a firepit. They include a dining hall/meeting hall and quite a few permanent facilities for activities like high ropes courses, swimming pools, rock walls, horseback riding, archery, arts & crafts, etc - all kinds of things that are not and cannot be offered at a public venue like a state or national park.

      In addition, having a private space is a substantial advantage for keeping the kids safe and adequately supervised.

      In Northern California, these camps are going for pretty much every day that school is out - from June through August. The camps that are owned by others and rented to scouts or youth groups typically only run a single week.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 12:41:51 PM PDT

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    •  Another difference about the permanent facilities (1+ / 0-)
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      is that they come with permanent, professional staff that maintain the activities and run the program. It allows them to have expert rock climbers, for example, or a professional artist, supervising the girls. It's a very different experience for the girls than going camping with their troop leader volunteers for the weekend.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 12:44:31 PM PDT

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    •  What Juliette Gordon Low says... (3+ / 0-)
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      Juliette Gordon Low wrote back in her original 1913 handbook that:

      IT is advisable that Patrols or Companies should have some place of their own at which to camp. Some small plot of woodland is easily secured near most any of our cities… "Gypsying" from place to place is unadvisable. When you have your own camp, too, much better chances for study will be found possible. You will have your own trees, flowers, and birds to notice and care for...
      One of the problems with consolidating the camps and creating "super camps" is that camps that were built in communities by volunteers, donations, and money that girls earned by selling cookies (originally) within those communities are sold off. This means that the girls need to be bused or driven hours to get to one of the remaining camps. A big disincentive for parents for summer camp and very impractical for troop camping during the year.

      There is also a safety/noise factor to consider when using public parks, especially with the younger girls. With Girl Scout camps owned by the council this is not a problem. There is no one there that shouldn't be which creates a sense of freedom and safety.

      There is also just that wonderful feeling of returning to a well-loved place where you have already established good memories. An anticipation of "going back" to your camp for the summer, that can't be replicated, as Juliette Low might say, by "Gypsying."

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